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Industrial Age[edit]

The term Industrial Age is becoming more prominant to cover the period from the Industrial Revolution to near modern times. The Industrial Age disamg page seems inappropriate. Let's discuss the creation of an Industrial Age article, keeping in mind that it does not supplant the Industrial Revolution, which is a historially established term. As far as creditability to the use of the term Industrial Age, even the NIST website now uses the term. fcsuper (How's That?, That's How!) (Exclusionistic Immediatist ) 20:53, 29 September 2010, Wednesday (2 years, 3 months, 13 days ago) (UTC+1)

Too much white space at the top[edit]

This article has a long info box and a long TOC, resulting in excesively large blocks of white space - at least it does on my browser. Is there something that can be done about this? I've tried re-ordering things in the lead but it doesn't help. --Roly (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Not quite sure where you are seeing the whitespace. Is it after the infobox, or between the box and the TOC? Also what is your display resolution as that might help.--SabreBD (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Most of the area to the left of the info box and to the right of the TOC is blank. If it's not obvious to you then it's probably a combination of my browser and display. I'll leave it to see if anybody else says anything.--Roly (talk) 23:09, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
OK I don't think I am quite seeing what you are, but I think I get the idea. I think the best solution is to remove the navbox (which just doubles for a navbox footer and only deals with one aspect of the topic) and move one of the pictures to the top. We can then limit the toc to level 2 headings (which is recommended when they get this big). I will have to remind myself how to do that. If anyone objects I am happy to discuss it here.--SabreBD (talk) 11:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions for more pictures[edit]

There are several reader comments suggesting more pictures; however, there is no explanation of what pictures are wanted. There is a video of mule spinning and of fly shuttle weaving, which are necessary to see how these machines operated. Photography did not exist during the Industrial Revolution and not many paintings showing related subjects, even counting those made after the period.Phmoreno (talk) 14:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Important missing section: The Industrial revolution's impact on biodiversity & global temperatures[edit]

These texts should serve as reference for the new section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene#Biodiversity http://www.livescience.com/43132-preindustrial-global-warming-estimated.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.164.194.214 (talk) 12:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

The climate change debate concerns industrialization, which is a different concept from the Industrial Revolution. Also, the change from hunter-gathers to farming is not related to industrialization, except as a distant precursor.Phmoreno (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Contradictory dates[edit]

The article on Derby says " As home to Lombe's Mill, the first factory in the world, Derby is considered the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution." This article says the revolution started much later even though the world's first factory is a clear indication of the beginning. (And the article Lombe's Mill doesn't even mention the Industrial Revolution!) --Espoo (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Lombe's mill was not the first factory. That title would probably go to one of the ancient Chinese factories that made weapons. The significance of Lombe's mill is that it was a large scale example of a factory with complex machinery and that it set an example for how a mechanized process could work. Lombe was an industrial spy who learned the silk technology in Italy, where it was kept secret, so we will never know the extent of the industry there. Because Lombe's factory was a single example that occurred before the great surge in production and economic growth that began in the last quarter of the 18th century, it does not mark the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.Phmoreno (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, could you please edit those two articles accordingly? I can't agree with you completely though. According to the source provided, that factory was the first fully mechanized factory in the world. The IR would seem to by definition consist of the creation of many fully mechanized factories, so the establishment of the first one is very definitely the beginning of the IR from the perspective of technology and history. Other disciplines are more interested in the surge in production and economic growth that occurred on the national and international levels later due to the establishment of many more fully mechanized factories, but the first one and its date should most definitely be mentioned in the intro and the timeline of the IR article. (It of course caused "only" a local but historically very significant surge in production and economic growth.) --Espoo (talk) 04:33, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Besides Lombes mill there are a few developments, such as crucible steel, that predate the period most historians call the Industrial Revolution. I am planning to work on the causes section and may list those there.Phmoreno (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
The biggest problem with Lomb's mill is that it went out of business long before the IR began. By contrast, the cotton spinning and weaving industry was the largest industry in the UK in terms of employment and capital by the end of the IR. The cotton industry had also seen productivity of spinning improve by 1000 times, weaving by about 40 times. The puddling process and rolling mill were extremely important processes. Great improvements were made in the steam engine, causing a tremendous increase in installed steam power. Lomb's mill, by contrast, went nowhere.Phmoreno (talk) 18:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Had anyone predicted the Industrial Revolution before it started?[edit]

If anyone here knows anything about it, we may be able to hunt down a source and add the information to the article. This is fairly interesting to me personally. 213.109.230.96 (talk) 05:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

It's doubtful that anyone could have predicted it and it wasn't until it was well underway that it was recognized that a change had occurred. Hardly any of the later great innovations were appreciated until they were well underway. For example,David Ames Wells devoted only a sentence or two to electrification in 1891 when he wrote Recent Economic Changes. Another example is that Henry Ford and his financial officer had been turned down by so many banks that the financial officer sat down on a curb and wept.Phmoreno (talk) 16:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to add that the Industrial Revolution took place over two generations, which made it difficult to recognize the extent of progress at the beginning, especially since it accelerated after 1800. By the end, which I consider the depression of the late 1830s, the textile market was saturated and the next phase of industrialization was to bring continued growth.Phmoreno (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
It's all so amazing to think about this, and there are so many implications to point out, but I'd like to avoid spamming the talk page. Perhaps the most significant implication is the one pertaining to the debate within philosophy of history on whether it is individuals or collective, impersonal processes that drive societal progress. It seems that political parties and movements of the time, if they addressed the subject of industrialization and mechanization at all, were more likely to oppose it than support it. 213.109.230.96 (talk) 01:17, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Your comments reminded me that I have some good material to add regarding causes of the Industrial Revolution. Perhaps time will allow me to do some editing in the next few weeks.Phmoreno (talk) 02:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Interlink to Quiz[edit]

For the sake of uniformity I tried to put the interlink to the Quiz in the boxes to the right, along with the interlinks to Commons and Wikiquote (See Industrial_Revolution#External_links). Only the inline interlink seems to work. For documentation see User_talk:Guy_vandegrift/sandbox.--guyvan52 (talk) 16:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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Child Labour[edit]

This section contains a lot of good information, however, there are some gramatical error that could be improved upon. There are multiple misplaced commas that could be erased to help the information flow more smoothly. There are also some run on sentences that could be split into separate sentences with the deletion of semi colons and the addition of a period. One case of a misused italization was present. Overall this section is useful to readers looking for an overview of child labour during the industrial revolution. With slight improvements to the the grammar and punctuation, the information would be much clearer and easily read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Accane88 (talkcontribs) 00:16, 17 September 2014

I have removed what I consider to be four optional commas, although I have added a further two, which I considered necessary. I could only find one example where the use of a semi-colon could have been avoided but this required the addition of another comma. The other uses, in my opinion, were quite correct. I could not find any italics in this section. Perhaps you meant quotation marks? I personally didn't find the section difficult to read and think that converting it to short staccato sentences would not be an improvement. While I enjoy the irony, might I suggest that, if you are going to criticise other people's writing, you double check what you have written yourself. Best regards--Ykraps (talk) 08:31, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
It really wasn't meant to be, but on a second reading, that comment comes across as rude so I have struck it and apologise if it was taken the wrong way.--Ykraps (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2014[edit]

HI 162.253.233.65 (talk) 19:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Nominated for "good article" status[edit]

I am nominating this article because if is of high importance to many fields. I am sure there are some unresolved issues, but its time to get a critical review and list of problems so they can be addressed.Phmoreno (talk) 21:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)