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Page Title[edit]

There is no reason why the page should not begin with IndyCar Series in DIRECTV HD rather than simply IndyCar Series. This is currently the official title of the series as recognised by the Indy Racing League, much like when Champ Car's title was Bridgestone Presents the Champ Car World Series Powered by Ford. When that was the case, the Wikipedia article was officially recognized as Champ Car World Series, but the on page title reflected the official name.

The objectives of WP:COMMONNAME do not apply in this case, as

1) We are not renaming the page, it remains at IndyCar Series, where it should be

2) Based on the way search engines work, the addition of in DIRECTV HD would not effect search results for this page, while at the same time, it would increase the accuracy of the article. If this was being renamed to something such as "IndyCar Presented in DirecTV Series", WP:COMMONNAME would apply, as anybody doing a search for "IndyCar Series" would be unable to find the page.

I'm not advocating moving the page from IndyCar Series, just fixing it to properly reflect the series.

--CorSter (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)]]

If we were following WP:COMMONNAME to the letter, I would argue that somebody searching would be looking for IRL or IndyCar before they type IndyCar Series into the search engine. I think the article must represent the proper name of the series. I must agree that COMMONNAME does not apply here.
--99.238.177.201 (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The in DIRECTV HD version is more accurate, i say stick with it
--67.71.176.12 (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Sponsor names change all the time; I'd say leave it out. Kenhullett (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Previous discussions have agreed upon leaving so-called "Presenting Sponsors" out of the page name, but including "Primary Sponsors." In this interesting case, DIRECTV is actually more of a presenting sponsor, and not particularly the series title sponsor. Note that it has been reported that a real title sponsor will join the league in 2009. It has yet to be announced. I say for 2008, leave the page title at IndyCar Series, and for 2009, if and when they announce the sponsor, change it if appropriate. Doctorindy (talk) 03:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Chassis/Engine Suppliers[edit]

The Long Beach race that used the Champ Car Panoz/Cosworth cars counts towards the IRL points standings. For all intents and purposes it is an IndyCar series race, and thus Panoz and Cosworth should be listed as chassis and engine suppliers. Charles 22:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Panoz should be listed as they are still an IndyCar chassis manufacturer, with American Dream running one at the 500. Long Beach was not a IndyCar race though, so i don't think cosworth should be listed.
--99.238.177.201 (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The 2008 Long Beach DP01 Panoz / Cosworth effort is an interesting footnote.Twohlford (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I rewrote the chassis section, cleaning up the historical chassis sections and adding lots on the G-Force/Panoz efforts. It still needs more work on the Dallara efforts. Twohlford (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

According to IRL officials I talked to at Milwaukee and Indy, the current chassis and engine spec is expected to continue through 2010 due to unification concerns. Twohlford (talk) 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara.

http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html (User: thebatsignal) 22:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Here is another professional source indicating the current IndyCar chassis is designated correctly as the IR5. http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true (User: thebatsignal) 22:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Indy 500 > IndyCar season[edit]

Does anyone find cites for this? --Howard the Duck 17:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Feeder Series[edit]

I think the NASCAR article format should be followed for this article, including information on the feeder series for IndyCar. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.197 (talk) 02:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Flag Signals[edit]

Color chart of flags used in this series trackside —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.208.34.173 (talk) 06:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

There's already an article just for that. See: racing flagsMustang6172 (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

length of split?[edit]

The last I checked, CART broke away from USAC in 1978. While an argument can be made for the Championship Racing League in 1980 as a unified series, most certainly "the split" didn't begin with the formation of the IRL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twohlford (talkcontribs) 19:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Clearly there's more than one splitMustang6172 (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, and if we want to document the CRL, then that's another matter. Officially, the IRL seems to date the split starting in 1978 with the formation of CART and the running of events by CART in opposition to USAC. Certainly there sanctions against "traitors" who ventured to the other side prior to 12 years ago. The fact remains that since 1978, the Indy scene has been split.Twohlford (talk) 03:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I like how it says, "In 2008, the IndyCar Series merged with the Champ Car World Series, ending a 30-year period in which American open wheel racing was split into at least two major groups." And in the sidebar it says incept date was 1996. Totally makes sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlprater (talkcontribs) 18:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
CART split from USAC in 1978. That was the first split. USAC folded its championship series in 1979. That ended the first split. IRL split from CART in 1996. CART did not fold it's championship series as USAC did. CART kept fighting and eventually the IRL scored a pyrrhic victory. That ended the second split.Mustang6172 (talk) 04:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Series Records[edit]

My understanding is that the IRL will recognize the history of CART and CCWS. This means that our statement of which drivers are record holders probably needs a lot of revision. We would also have to include the pre-1978 records if we are to do this correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twohlford (talkcontribs) 01:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

Template:IZOD IndyCar Series Revert to previous after Move request not having been performed previously on what was obvious a controversial move. IZOD have become the series sponsor of the IndyCar Series, however, this article covers all of IndyCar, not just the series. Additionally almost every other motorsport article about a category is generically titled, and this article has not previously been refered to by sponsored identity. --Falcadore (talk) 04:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Why the name change? Yes the series now has a naming rights sponsor, but that naming rights sponsor only applied to the 2010 series yes? This is the article about to whole of the Indycar Series, of which IZOD has only been a very small part. Surely the name of the article should stay generic for exactly the same reason that all the component race teams have generically titled articles rather than named by their sponsored identies and the IZOD labelling should stick strictly to 2010 IZOD IndyCar Series article.

I notice that the NASCAR Sprint Cup has been sited for comparison. However, isn't the more appropriate comparison to NASCAR? Additionally, it should be noted that the NASCAR Sprint Cup series is virtually unique in that the article represent the sponsored idenity of its motor racing series. Every other motor racing Series article that I found by quick search uses the unbranded common name. --Falcadore (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The Indy Racing League is the appropriate comparison to NASCAR in this case. They're the parent company that sanctions, governs and stages the races. Firestone Indy Lights and Rolex Sports Car Series are two other examples of a racing series using the branded name of a sponsor. The series is going to retain the IZOD IndyCar Series name through 2015 per media reports.Froo (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Note that the creation of the article at Firestone Indy Lights was initially a temporary move from the page Indy Pro Series. The article Indy Lights (which dealt with the previous CART-sanctioned series) was later merged in. The article was moved to Firestone Indy Lights largely because an article Indy Lights already existed. -Drdisque (talk) 21:29, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Froo is correct. This is the talk page for the IndyCar Series article, not the Indy Racing League article. Granted, it does get confusing because the series and sanctioning body were one in the same until the new Indy Lights series came along. When NASCAR changes the name of a series, it applies that change retroactively. It is reasonable to expect the IRL to act in the same manner.Mustang6172 (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge of 2013 IndyCar Series season[edit]

It is proposed that 2013 IndyCar Series season be merged and redirected here until, at the very least, the 2012 season is ended. Please discuss. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Support. There is a lot of crystal balling on the page right now. Almost all of Possible races should be deleted. Once the rumours are removed you have three races and two drivers contracts for 2013, all of which could be covered on the artciles for those races and drivers quite adequately. I do not believe we have to wait until 2012 season is complete, personally, the announcement of the 2013 calendar would be the perfect opportunity to expand that article, assuming that comes before season ends. --Falcadore (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose. The Houston Grand Prix was just announced on the schedule. Series CEO Randy Bernard wants to announce the 2013 schedule as early as possible. There will be many announcements pertaining to the 2013 season that happen before the 2012 season ends. There will also be companies committing to supplying aero kits. I will clean up the old references to possible races. Froo (talk) 22:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose, per Houston's announcement and per Froo. TheChrisD RantsEdits 23:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose merge, Creating [Next season] after the start of [This season] is the typical way it's been handled in the past, and how other sports seem to handle it. More than one race (not just Houston) is officially confirmed for 2013, There's also at least one rule that has already been announced to take affect in 2013 (multiple aero kits) so there is some substance to report. Honestly, what's the difference with creating it today as opposed to some date this summer when the official schedule is announced? The wait is insignificant. It would not fall under crystal ball criteria because some of the events are already officially announced. Doctorindy (talk) 19:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Tires[edit]

In the book "Racing Indy Cars" by Author George Sullivan, there is a photo of the pit crew putting tires on Ari Luyendyks's Dominos Pizza sponsored Indy car in the early 1990s. The left tires are marked "L" in chalk, and the right tires are marked "R" in chalk. Why is this? Why wouldnt the tires be interchangeable to either side of the car? Marc S., Dania Fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Because the right-hand side tyres are slightly larger than the left-sides to help with the stagger of the car and to help it naturally want to turn to the left. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoaUhs-ZmaI TheChrisD RantsEdits 22:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)