Talk:Information and communications technology
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- 1 Notes
- 2 ICT : C stands for communication : singular or plural
- 3 Good or bad
- 4 Wrong place for these items
- 5 The Internet
- 6 hai..
- 7 Article title "Information communication technology" should be changed!
- 8 Communication Technology: The Alphabet? Moveable Type?
- 9 the "Future"
- 10 quality
- 11 Splitting and merging
- 12 So, what exactly is ICT?
- 13 English understood by 10% of world pop, 80% of Internet content?!
- 14 No Tasmania?
- 15 Messed up article
- 16 ICT IN EDUCATION (TEACH)
- 17 Incorrect date for definition of ICT
- 18 ICT linked to IT
- 19 translation process in programing
- 20 Feedback
This article started life in 2003 under the name "Information communication technology", and the content was transfered to "Information and communication technologies" on 25 March 2009. Various pages such as "Information and Communication Technology" were redirects to "Information technology", but since 2008 or 2009 they have redirected to this article.
ICT : C stands for communication : singular or plural
- This section has been copied from Talk:Information technology.
What does letter "C" in ICT stand for ? Communication (singular) or communications (plural). For instance, it's singular in United Nations site but plural in the United Nations Development Program. Which form is more accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- BULL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- The History of Information Technology —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I am actually more concerned that ICT appears to be subsumed by IT. In fact each are fundamentally distinct and should be treated seperately.
In the global work that we did in this regard on DOT Force (The Digital Opportunity Task Force established by the G8 in Okinawa 2001) meant that we agreed that ICT stood for Information Communications Technologies, and therefore the acronym ICT is plural. As a result, the misleading and incorrect acronym ICTs should never be used. A common error which should be wiped out by education.
Furthermore, ICT actually requires a separate reference page in Wikipedia. Subjects related to ICT include ICT for development etc.
I would be happy to discuss this further. == Atenyi 21:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think that ICT (Information Communications Technologies) should not redirect to IT (Information Technology) page. This is incorrect. it should redirect to , perhaps with a header which disambiguates. ICT has a somewhat different meaning in it's most common usage.. I have been reading about what we call "Learning Technologies" in the US - In the UK, and possibly elsewhere in europe, ICT apparently refers to: The use of computer technologies in the classroom, the study of how to effectively search for and find information (research skills), and studies of how to best integrate Computer-based resources into education. Take a look at     and  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Good or bad
You probably won’t be allowed to eat.
Where you give birth matters a lot for this one, because hospitals, birth centers and home-birth midwives all have their own rules. But in many settings, women are not allowed to eat while in labor; they're limited to clear liquids or ice chips. That policy usually exists because of the possibility of a cesarean section: If you're under general anesthesia, doctors don't want you to aspirate, or get food in your airways, explained Dr. Shieva Ghofrany, an OBGYN with Stamford Hospital. (A recent Cochrane review concluded women should be free to eat and drink during labor).
However, Ghofrany said it's been her experience that food is often far from women's minds. "Initially, you might be hungry, or annoyed that your husband is next to you, eating pizza," she said. "But once you're in labor, you're not hungry anymore."
2. “Natural” means different things to different people.
If natural childbirth is a personal priority, be sure to be 100 percent clear with your care provider or care team about what exactly that means to you, said Marcy Tardio, a certified nurse-midwife who oversees home births in the New York area. She said a potential benefit of home birth is the amount of time midwives are able to spend answering such questions. "It has been said that many [women and couples] spend more time shopping for a car than for how they're going to birth," she said.
The key is to understand what "natural" means to your care team, wherever you give birth: No interventions? Minimal interventions? The option to walk, eat and drink? Intermittent fetal monitoring? Just keep in mind, of course, that plans can change.
3. You might push for a loooong time.
Some women are surprised to learn that it can take much more than the one or two (or even 15) pushes regularly portrayed on TV and in the movies to give birth -- and that's not necessarily something that doctors and nurse-midwives emphasize ahead of time, said Jessica Anderson, a certified nurse-midwife and the associate service director with The Center for Midwifery, University of Colorado Hospital. "It can be an hour, two hours, three hours ... I don't think women realize that pushing can be lengthy, especially with the first baby, and that's normal. That's OK."
A benefit of taking a comprehensive childbirth education class, Anderson said, is the preparation for that -- and the chance to learn coping strategies.
4. Pain relief isn't a guarantee.
Don't panic if you're thinking epidural-or-bust, but there are times when the anesthesia -- which is injected using a catheter that goes just outside of the sac of fluid around your spinal cord -- doesn't work. If the dural sac is scarred in some way from a previous surgery or infection, or simply "because of an individual woman's anatomy," the medicine may not spread, meaning there are limits to the pain relief she experiences, explained Dr. Eva Pressman, chair of the department of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Rochester Medical Center.
"Sometimes, [she'll feel pain] on one side of her body," she continued. "Other times, there's a window or a hole where she still feels pain." In Pressman's experience, that possibility is not widely discussed until a woman is talking to her anesthesiologist just before receiving the epidural.
5. A lot of people will look between your legs.
Again, this one really depends on environment: If you're in a smaller hospital, a birth center or at home, it's possible, and even likely, that you'll have only one or two care providers. But in bigger hospitals, you might see one or two nurses (depending on how long your delivery lasts), several medical residents, physicians' assistants, a midwife and the doctor on call, Ghofrany said, joking that by the time she finished giving birth, she wouldn't have cared if the cleaning crew stopped in to check on her.
"Every hospital is different," echoed Dr. Lauren Streicher, an associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology with Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine. "What happens at a big teaching hospital may be very different from what happens at a small community hospital."
6. The baby's heart rate might drop.
During labor and delivery, it's not uncommon for the umbilical cord to get stretched or compressed, which can lead to brief drops in fetal heart rate. If you're hooked up to a continuous, electric fetal monitor, the machine will alert your medical team to the change, and suddenly it will feel like "50 people run into the room," Ghofrany said. It can be a scary moment, and one Ghofrany tries to tell patients about in advance.
Though it can be indicative of something more serious, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists emphasizes that so-called "abnormal fetal heart rate patterns" do not necessarily mean there's a problem.
7. You really will probably poop.
"I would never voluntarily tell patients that ahead of time," Ghofrany said. "The only time I bring up pooping, ever, is when women start to push. And I say, 'you need to push as if you're pooping!'" Though there are no hard and fast numbers on this one, Ghofrany said it's highly common for women to go to the bathroom during labor ("I tell them, 'if you poop, you're doing the right thing!'" she said), and stressed that it doesn't unnerve doctors or nurses in the slightest. Often, women don't notice, Ghofrany said, and if they do, they're surprised by how little they care.
8. You'll feel like you're in the middle of a marathon.
"Sometimes I think we don't prepare people for how tired they're going to be," said Anderson. Often times, in the final weeks of pregnancy, women get very little sleep, especially because they may find themselves getting up to urinate every few hours as the baby puts pressure on the bladder. After that, women (and their partners) lose sleep during the actual labor, which can stretch over several days, before they're thrust into the exhausting job of caring for a new, tiny baby.
9. ... But you're stronger than you know.
Tardio said she regularly witnesses the sense of awe women and their partners feel after birth: "They say, 'I can't believe I did this! I feel like I can do anything. And the partners will say, 'she was more powerful and beautiful than I thought before.'" Birth, Tardio said, can be incredibly challenging, and after going through it, many women have a new understanding of just how strong and capable they truly are.
10. You might be puffy all over.
As WhatToExpect reports, in some hospitals, it's common to give all women an IV during labor as a precaution against dehydration (although it's less routine than it once was). "The day after, [some women] are very swollen ... they have a big swollen face, or ankles, and sometimes, it's just because they got a lot of IV fluids," Streicher explained. Your body also produces and retains more fluid during pregnancy, which contributes to potential puffiness -- many women sweat or urinate more after giving birth as that fluid leaves their system.
11. If you have a C-section, the catheter will stay put for a bit.
When you have a C-section, planned or otherwise, doctors generally put a catheter in your bladder, so that it stays empty and clear of the surgical area where doctors are doing their work. It's also there so doctors can measure your urine output, and so that you don't have to get up and go to the bathroom the first night after surgery, which can be very painful, she said. In other words, don't be caught off guard if you're catheterized through the first night after the surgery. "In cases where we're worried about how much urine she is making, or where there might have been scarring, we might leave it in longer," Pressman said. "But usually, it's just that first night.
12. Breastfeeding can hurt!
That doesn't mean it will -- some women have easy, blissful nursing experiences from start to finish -- but plenty of women find it painful, and Anderson fears that some childbirth experts neglect to prepare women for that. "There's sort of this cultural expectation that it's natural, and it shouldn't be hard," she said. "But it's a journey you go on together. Both parties are learning, and a lot of times it's painful and challenging."
13. There will be a “new normal” down there.
"Once you give birth vaginally, the structure of your perineum and vagina change," Anderson said. "Typically, they go back to normal, but it's a 'new normal'."
In other words, don't be surprised if things don't look exactly the same. Incontinence is another potential issue that's seldom discussed, and it's not at all uncommon in the weeks or months after a woman delivers, Streicher said (if it's been six months or more, she recommends getting help). Another surprise? Vaginal dryness, particularly among women who are breastfeeding. It can catch a lot of women -- particularly those in their 20s or 30s -- off guard when they first have sex, Streicher said, and care providers often fail to prepare them.
14. You'll bleed for a while.
"I don't think all providers necessarily prepare women for bleeding afterwards," Anderson said. "It's normal to have bleeding up to four to six weeks after giving birth." How heavy the initial bleeding can be is surprising to some women. "Although any vaginal bleeding can seem like too much after an entire pregnancy without a period, postpartum bleeding can be downright shocking," according to a 2010 blog on the Mayo Clinic's website. In many cases, it's perfectly normal, but if you're concerned about it any way, contact your health care provider.
15. Childbirth's the easy part.
Though some women and their partners endure incredibly difficult births, for most new parents labor and birth are the easy parts, Anderson said.
"We, as obstetrical providers, put so much focus on labor and birth, and many families have really well thought out birth plans," she said.
It's all the work that comes next that is the real challenge.
Was there anything your doctor didn't tell you about giving birth? Tell us in the comments or tweet your answers to @HuffPostParents and we'll include them in a slideshow here!
Expecting? Flip through the slideshow below to find out what's happening with your baby this week! communications technolgy a good thing or a bad thing this is still not certain...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Wrong place for these items
The following are humanistic studies, they have nothing to do with technology.
- Mass media
- Instructional design
- Technical communication
"One often wonders.."?? Those are not only weasel words, they don't even pretend to cite any authority. Who wonders? This is original research citing, uh.. the one, or something. What? --220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
And I just can't imagine (as it goes on) how, like, farmers, or old tyme people, n' stuff, I mean how did they survive without the internets to, uh, help their farming? N' stuff? Okay, I'm being ruthless, but that is just really a very ridiculous utterance.--18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Article title "Information communication technology" should be changed!
IMO the article title should be changed to:
- Information and Communication Technologies
- I would suggest "Information and Communication Technology" following the British Computer Society Glossary of ICT and Computing Terms, or "Information and Communications Technology" following the Office of Government Commerce website. And if you see a "move" tab at the top of the article when you are logged in, you can use that to rename the article. JonH (talk) 15:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Communication Technology: The Alphabet? Moveable Type?
"Communication Technology" -- which encompasses MUCH more than just electronic technology -- forwards me to this article. It occurs to me, however, that even this article might / should mention that there are very early technologies (in the human timeline) that communicated information well before, say, the telegraph, radio, television, computer, Internet, etc.
What about the alphabet? What about arabic numerals? What about moveable type? Would this sort of information be suitable for this article, or does a new (
Information Communication Technology) article need to be started? Begeun (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I think this section should be deleted from the page. Even if the use of mobile phones / interactive TV/radio should become general instead of the use of PC's, it wouldn't affect the meaning of ICT. Advanced mobile phones and other intelligent devices also contain processors (information technology) and telecommunication capabilities. ICT is not connected to the use of PC's.
Besides, I live in a developing country, and PC's are becoming very widespread. Moreover, there is no such thing as "text to voice" technology, its official name is "text-to-speech". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgeza7 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
I believe this has to be one of the worst articles ever written. For the love of god, I do hope that whoever wrote this is not native in English for if they are I truly fear for the future of English-speaking countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Splitting and merging
- [This comment has been copied from Talk:Information technology.] ICT is communication between 2 or more computers, IT is seperate as it can be generalised as the entire industry of Information Tecnology or it can refer to the fact that the Information on the computers is not transmitted between computers. ICT is also the preffered term for teaching computer Technology at school, Collage Or even at university. I hope this may help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathan Bate 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
This article is quite poor, and it is worse than some of the earlier versions. For a start, it does not say what ICT is. Many people use ICT as an acronym for "Information and Communication Technology" (or minor variations of the phrase), so readers deserve to be told what these people are referring to. I think there should also be an explanation of when the phrase was first used, why it was used (which I guess should mention the "convergence of computing and communications"), and the fact that some people use the phrase "Information Technology" to include telecommunications. For example, the BCS Glossary of Computing and ICT, Twelfth Edition says on page 3 that:
- "Information Technology (IT) is the application of technology to information processing. The current interest centres on computing, telecommunications and digital electronics. In the UK schools sector, the preferred term is ICT (Information and Communication Technology)."
If we accept this view, then logically this page should be a redirect to Information technology and the term ICT should be explained there. But even if this is a separate article, it does not need long descriptions of the individual kinds of technology, as it can link to other articles which describe them. JonH (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks to the improvements by Espoo in September 2010, my points have now been dealt with. JonH (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
The following information was added to the article by Espoo in September 2010, but it was removed in August 2012. I have copied it here in case the title of the article is discussed again. JonH (talk) 14:08, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- [Sometimes used with technologies in the plural. Originally, only information and communications technology (with communications in the plural) was considered correct since ICT refers to communications (in the sense of a method, technology, or system of sending and receiving information, specifically telephone lines, computers, and networks), not communication (the act of sending or receiving information by speaking, writing, phoning, emailing, etc. or a message containing such information), and the older form (information and communications technology) is still the only one recorded in professionally edited reference works (e.g. Oxford Dictionaries Online, Computer Desktop Encyclopedia, Webopedia, and Encarta World English Dictionary) and preferred by many style guides (e.g. Editorial Style Guide of the Republic of South Africa). Nevertheless, the form information and communication technology is becoming increasingly common and is now used in about half the books that can be searched using Google Books and is for example also used by the International Telecommunication Union.]
So, what exactly is ICT?
The article does not describe ICT at all. The statement in the definition: "By this definition, you could almost say ICT is technology's version of economic growth" is nonsensical. How can a technology be growth? It can cause growth, but it is not growth. So, what is it? Luciano Q. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that sentence (added by an IP editor with no other edits) is obtuse or meaningless so I've removed it. Qwfp (talk) 15:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
English understood by 10% of world pop, 80% of Internet content?!
"For example the English language, which is understood by only 10% of the worlds population, accounts for approximately 80% of internet content."
While there is a source attached to this claim, it's most definately incorrect, or at least incorrectly worded. Does anyone have an exact citing from the source? And is there an alternate source to the claim of 80% of the content? English is most certainly understood by far more than 10%, in fact, approx. 17% seems to have it as the first or secondary language: List of countries by English-speaking population —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander L (talk • contribs) 19:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Messed up article
- The best way to fix the damage done by 184.108.40.206 to the introduction, is to revert to the previous version. So I have now done that, but I have retained the changes that you and others have made to the rest of the article. JonH (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
ICT IN EDUCATION (TEACH)
Incorrect date for definition of ICT
One of the referenced articles (http://specials.ft.com/lifeonthenet/FT3NXTH03DC.html) is incorrect. It is footnote number 3, which wrongly states that the term ICT was first introduced in 1997, however I have by briefly looking into the case found at least a reference to it from 1992, in"Consuming technologies: media and information in domestic spaces" (1992, pp. 82) by Roger Silverstone. (http://www.google.com/books?hl=da&lr=&id=bqXBoC4kjKgC&oi=fnd&pg=PA82&dq=ICT&ots=e9FQomYxon&sig=MYwpRYAkPXgVSlrMIhb-S6uOB9c#v=onepage&q=ICT&f=false).
I am sure that the term itself is older than from 1992, however I think it should appear on the Wikipedia entry, that the date 1997 appears to be incorrect. If anyone can help alter this mistake or at least draw attention to it that would be great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BenklerRocks (talk • contribs) 14:24, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
I believe this article should be linked somehow to the one named IT (information technology), which exists in many more languages. Even though the field covered by the latter is much more general, the relation between both of them is obvious. Therefore they should be either merged -so that each of them constitutes a series of different section titles- or, at least, or linked to one another. That is especially important when trying to find articles in other languages, which can be almost impossible if you only know one of the two names/acronyms (IT instead of ICT or vice versa). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 11:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
- There is link on the very beginning to the IT article, whats better than that? Uziel302 (talk) 16:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
translation process in programing
Many readers are dissatisfied by this article (see "View reader feedback" at the top of this talk page). The comments that they left suggest to me that most are school students who have been set the task of finding information about various aspects of "ICT". Wikipedia probably has what they want, but it is in articles on more specialised topics. To help them, I have added the "Information technology portal" to the "See also" section, but there may be more that can be done. JonH (talk) 06:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)