Talk:Inspiration Mars Foundation

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To Do[edit]

  • Add original slides used during intro press conference
  • Add 'Press Coverage' section
  • Several more entries are needed in the 'Potential Sponsors' section, sourced
  • 'See Also' links on other relevant Mars and Space Exploration pages need to be updated with reference to this page
  • Quotes from the press conference and published material

Ericmachmer (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

images[edit]

All the images used at here except the logo, appear to be copyright violations. The source permission where listed doesn't appear to give permission. The logo itself doesn't appear at the official website, so appears to be an invention of the uploader. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 23:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

These images were released to the public at their National Press Club briefing. Would you mind providing the Wikimedia url (and steps if necessary) which I could forward directly to Inspiration Mars' media contact for copyright verification? I'm assuming they are extremely busy over the weekend with another press release scheduled today (Sunday) and perhaps not familiar with Wikipedia's formal process for copyright release. It would be most helpful if someone were to provide steps with specific urls and process by which Inspiration Mars could resolve this problem, note copyright info on individual images, and whatever else maybe necessary. Thanks for your help.Noh Chung (talk) 21:06, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
To properly verify the source of the images, you need to add the link to the place where they say what license they release their images from, the source URL of the image, the source URL of the page containing the image. This needs to be done for each image.
If you want to do that by directly contacting Inspiration Mars, have them file an WP:OTRS ticket, which lists all the images covered by the OTRS, and the licenses for those images. (I suppose commons:category:Inspiration Mars would be most of those images)
Just because something is publicly available in a press conference does not make it free-of-encumberances to use. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 22:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Noh, have you heard back from Inspiration Mars? "65.92" would uploading these images to a Flickr account be the easiest way for IM to set copyright status on individual images? Their website is basically just one page (http://inspirationmars.org ) I'm unsure if they ever expect to have an online gallery on which copyright notices could be posted. If IM uploaded the slideshow images released to the press onto a Flickr account and set copyright to Creative Commons Share and Share Alike, I could then fill out an OTRS ticket, note each image, etc. Would that be sufficient for establishing copyright? Thanks again. Ericmachmer (talk) 15:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
What you propose to do with Flickr is called flickrwashing and ends up in the pictures being deleted, when discovered. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
No flickrwashing involves a bogus Flickr account. Of course the idea is to make it easy for IM to issue 'free pure' copyrights on a continuing basis as they release images to the press overtime. Flickrwashing would not be the case if images were posted to the official Flickr account of the Inspiration Mars Foundation. In fact such an official Flickr account would seem to be the easiest way for Inspiration Mars to release CC Attribution/Attribution-ShareAlike media.
"Trusted users (admins and community approved users) may also review Flickr licenses manually." http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Problematic_sources#Flickr_washing:_is_the_work_original_with_the_uploader.2C_or_a_copyright_violation.3F
"Surely there's a happy medium between these two positions" http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sj/Flickrwashing
Heck there are even tools and directions for using Flickr to contribute Wikimedia http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Flickr_files#Uploading_images
"The last option may be the easiest, since you can just forward their permission statement sent through Flickr mail (via external email) to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org (but make sure their statement makes it clear what file(s) are being released and under what license). "
We should establish an easy, straightforward method for an Inspiration Mars secretary or intern with marginal computer literacy to share 'pure free' licensing for images generated on an ongoing basis. What would be easier than an official Flickr account from which wikipedians can then upload & note shared images? Semi-wiki-literate volunteers at IM may not have time for or interest in winding their way through OTRS tickets. We can do that for them, using a Flickr account or _____ what? Suggestions? Ericmachmer (talk) 05:30, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
What you stated was if you, EricMachmer, uploaded it to Flickr, which would be flickrwashing, since it involves a third party uploading stuff they don't own, to Flickr. It wouldn't matter if you instant messaged the foundation for permission first, since it won't exist in an OTRS ticket. What your response is, is what if the Inspiration Mars Foundation uploaded to Flickr, which is a different proposition, and would be acceptable. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
There's a misinterpretation here. "IM" is shorthand for 'Inspiration Mars' not 'instant message'. Of course I never suggested starting a bogus Flickr account myself to thereby license CC copyrights. LOL. What I wrote above is: "would uploading these images to a Flickr account be the easiest way for IM...'" and "'If IM uploaded the slideshow images released to the press onto a Flickr account and set copyright to Creative Commons Share and Share Alike, I could then..." The idea being, as stated above, if IM were to create an official Flickr account I or others could take care of OTRS tickets, note individual files on Wikimedia, etc. Anyhow, after repeated emails to IM they have still not responded. (They may be so inundated by media requests that Wikipedia copyright issues are low on their list...by Tuesday I'll give them a phone call........ Ericmachmer (talk) 05:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
My understanding in the press release world is that the owners still reserve all rights of the images but they just give specific permission for the media to "use" those images. Meaning if someone try to "edit" their image to do something else, they still have their rights to sue those people. It will be unusual for the owners of any projects to give up their rights to their renderings so easily. In this case, if they just somehow give up their flyby vehicle rendering through Creative Common, then I can take their image and replace their Inspiration Mars logo with my own brand and release it. This would create brand confusion. I don't know why anyone who spends money on the renderings would do that (except NASA). If Inspiration Mars is really dedicated to giving out free stuff to the public so much, then it will be easy enough for them to just put up a new page on their site which contains all the images that they would like to release and state the license term specifically on that page. That takes almost no effort to do. I am still doubtful that they will give up their rights so easily though.
By the way, since you admitted that you are not an official from Inspiration Mars and the license has not been secured, I think these images should be removed for now. After the license for these images are secured / cleared, then upload. Not the other way around. Z22 (talk) 05:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Inspiration Mars is starting an official Flickr account to facilitate Creative Commons Attribution/Share Alike licensing for images generated on an ongoing basis. This should be completed later today (Thursday, 14th of March...) and by Friday licensing issues for images on this page will be resolved. The cool thing is, they also released the Inspiration Mars Trajectory VDF file, among other similar files, which can even be viewed in a free STK Viewer App. Perhaps it would be interesting to archive such files on Wikimedia and provide links, explanations, and such to the AGI viewer. Info at the bottom of this article: http://astrogatorsguild.com/?p=642 Thanks for your patience. Ericmachmer (talk) 20:59, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Link to new official Inspiration Mars Flickr account: http://www.flickr.com/photos/94053242@N04/ (Also, it has been my understanding once issues are resolved in Talk pages, extended discussions such as this can be consigned to the history of this Talk page...do we really want to keep this pointless conversation thread around forever? Anyhow, will note and add individual images in the morning as time permits)...cheers. Ericmachmer (talk) 05:41, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Leave it be, it's a recent discussion, so it isn't old enough to disappear, and contains information helpful to other users should they want to learn how image issues work. Further, you do not delete valid discussions, per WP:TALK. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the IMF logo in the Flickrstream. So, there's still a problem with the logo. It's not on their website. The various logos uses are [1][2][3], none of which match the logo used on this page, though the one on Facebook is closest, still, it is radically different from the one on this page. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

BigelowOrion[edit]

it's only the copy of MY idea of a BigelowOrion proposed over SIX years ago ... http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/016_BigelowOrion.html

posted by gaetano marano april 9, 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.102.44 (talk) 12:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

haha a capsule hab combo has been a common idea. I love the way space advocates for some reason think it is important to establish who was "first." haha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noh Chung (talkcontribs) 15:15, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Additional sources[edit]

InspirationMars - US Government proposed public/private partnership flavor for a baseline mission[edit]

Inspiration Mars made several announcements this morning, and Dennis Tito testified before a committee in the US House of Representatives, proposing US government involvement in one option for a Mars flyby mission in 2017/2018. This proposal involves the Federal Space Launch System (SLS), and the Federal Commercial Crew Program launch vehicle and capsule, the Federal Orion space capsule, and an Inspiration Mars-provided habitat that they would propose to purchase from Orbital Sciences Corporation.

Lots of new info to digest. Here are some sources. There will no doubt be many more in the next few days. Cheers. N2e (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


Yeah, it's basically an admission that they can't make the 2018 date OR the funding target, at least not without mucho help from NASA. I've included a lot for stuff from those sources as well as these:
Pity, looks like the idea for a 2018 launch is toast. FOARP (talk) 11:56, 22 ::November 2013 (UTC)

Radiation Risk[edit]

I'm curious how they calculated that <3% "risk of fatal cancer". Without actually seeing where it came from it sounds like a real back of the envelope calculation, at best. The way I understand it there isn't really that much data on what actually happens to people at those exposures for long periods of time since there haven't really been many cases where people were subjected to those exposures for those periods of time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:5D:519A:CE08:E2DC:FD78 (talk) 02:00, 24 March 2014 (UTC)