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"International" League[edit]

With no more teams in Canada, does the International League plan to change its name? Mikehillman 13:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hold on a second...[edit]

I thought the second-place team from the North was in, not a wild card. Funky on Flames (user;talk;edits) 23:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope. IL playoff procedures. NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Jacksonville Suns join in 2012[edit]

The Jacksonville Suns, the double-A level Southern League affiliate of the Los Angeles Dodgers announce to join the IL next year. The Dodgers' affiliation either goes to Pensacola, Florida or Baton Rouge, Louisiana, while the former Reds' AA affiliate Carolina Mudcats merges with the Kinston Indians of the Carolina League. The reshuffling of the teams are part of the Great Recession of 2008-09, but the growth of Minor league baseball in the Southeast US, the states of Florida and North Carolina have the most minor league ballclubs (20?) in the country. 71.102.1.101 (talk) 08:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


Where did you get this from? This is did not happen. Bgates3 (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Team history issues- Scranton Wilkes-Barrie and Columbus franchises[edit]

I think the Scranton Wilkes-Barre and Columbus clubs have issues with their history. After reading all the Wikipedia pages linked to all incarnations of these franchises, BR Bullpen, an article on Jersey City baseball on MiLB.com, the Columbus Clippers history on their website and the Buffalo Bisons history on their website, I think the history on the Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees and the Columbus Clippers pages should be changed. I think the Scranton Wilkes-Barrie club was established as the Reading Coal Barons (article redirects to Reading Phillies) and not as the original Buffalo Bisons. I also think the Columbus club was established as an expansion team in 1977 and are not a relocation of the original Charleston Charlies. I also think there was only one Charlies team and not two. This is based on the websites I looked at that I mentioned in the second sentence. I copied and pasted info on the Bisons 70’s history page (link :[1]) which is right below the paragraph here with the more important sentences highlighted. The sentences highlighted has the history of these ball clubs differently according to Wikipedia:

The Bisons, armed with a Montreal Expo working agreement and with ex-Bison catching hero of 1940, Clyde McCullough, in charge, never had a chance. The opening day crowd was only 1,319, one of the smallest in memory. On June 2, and with the team at 9-27, the Bisons had played 13 games at home and drawn just 9,204 fans. League officials met in New York on June 4 to discuss the Buffalo situation. That afternoon the Buffalo franchise was forfeited and awarded to the Expos, who subsequently transferred it to Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Buffalo's last International League game was played against Tidewater on June 4, 1970. The team started the game as the Buffalo Bisons and finished it as the Montreal Bisons. It was a 7-4 loss and left the team at 9-29, six and one half games out of seventh place. Buffalo was now without professional baseball for the first time since 1876.
Going down in flames with the Bisons was General Manager Don Labbruzzo. His personal losses were heavy. He had used his own funds and borrowed on his life insurance to pay the bills. He also lost the equity in his home, when the Internal Revenue Service slapped a lien against him ("as responsible officer") for unpaid federal taxes.
The relocated team finished the season in seventh place, posting a 52-88 record. The Expos (nee Bisons) played one more year in Western Canada, and then were moved to Hampton and Newport News, Va., and became known as the Peninsula club. Peninsula was replaced by Memphis in 1974, which, in turn, was replaced by Columbus in 1977. So, it can be said that the present, highly successful Columbus Clippers trace their lineage to the ill-fated Bisons of 1970.

As according to the Bisons 70’s history page the original Bisons did became the Winnipeg/Peninsula Whips, but they folded instead of relocating and the Memphis team was an expansion team granted by the league which is named after the AA franchise in which today this AA team is now known as the present day Corpus Christi Hooks of the Texas League which it says on that team’s website (link:[2]). For Columbus it says that on the Bisons 70’s history page that the Columbus Clippers replaced the Memphis team. This doesn’t make sense because according to Wikipedia the Clippers franchise was playing in the league at the same time when the Memphis team was in the league. On Wikipedia the Clippers history is linked to the Ottawa Athletics and is being stated that the Columbus Clippers began in Ottawa, relocated to Columbus, relocated to Charleston and relocated back to Columbus. I think the history on the Bisons 70’s history page is more accurate than on Wikipedia. The history on the Scranton Wilkes-Barre and Columbus clubs should be respectfully changed according to how the Bisons conduct their history. According to the history page on the Clippers website (link:[3]), it doesn’t say the Clippers were the Columbus Jets. It just says that the Jets relocated to Charleston. Heres info from the Clippers history page right below the paragraph here with (again) the more important sentences highlighted. The sentences highlighted fits in with the Bisons’ history:

After the 1954 season, the Cardinals moved the Red Birds to Omaha. For the first time in the 20th century Columbus was without a baseball team. In January, 1955 Harold Cooper purchased the Ottawa club of the International League and moved them to Columbus.
Initially, Harold Cooper had a verbal commitment from the Yankees for the Jets to become New York's Triple-A franchise. But when the purchase of the stadium took longer than expected, the Yankees signed with Denver and Columbus had to settle with the lowly Kansas City A's. The financial deal for the stadium was worked out on the golf course between Budweiser tycoon Gussie Busch and Pittsburgh Pirates owner Dan Galbreath. The official bill of sale was the back of a receipt, which Galbreath had in his pocket. Both men's signatures and the sum of $450,000 appear on the receipt.
After the 1956 season, the Brooklyn Dodgers moved to Los Angeles. The Pirates had to find a new home for their Triple-A franchise, the Hollywood Stars. Pirates' owner John Galbreath signed a working agreement with his hometown, Columbus.
The young Pirate farm hands gave Columbus competitive teams throughout the '60's, winning pennants in 1961 and 1965. In 1970, Jets' President Fred Jones and M. E. Sensenbrenner worked out a deal. The city would purchase Jet Stadium and make needed repairs and Jones would build a swimming pool in the poor near east side. But young councilman M. D. Portman (a fellow Democrat) believed that a city of Columbus' size should stop making these backroom deals and threw a wrench in the works. Frustrated, Jones had to sell the team and it moved to Charleston. Columbus wouldn't have a baseball team for seven years.

There is also a confusion with the Hollywood Stars as according to Wikipedia that this team relocated to Salt Lake City. I think the Wikipedia way to the Stars relocation is accurate as the definition of working agreement is an informal agreement to work together.

The timeline for the SWB Yankees should be as follows:

  • Reading Coal Barons (1919)
  • Reading Marines (1920)
  • Reading Aces (1921-1922)
  • Reading Keystones (1923-1932)
  • Albany Senators (1932-1936)- International League version
  • Jersey City Giants (1937-1950)
  • Ottawa Giants (1951)
  • Ottawa Athletics (1952-1954)
  • Columbus Jets (1955-1970)
  • Charleston Charlies (1971-1983)
  • Maine Guides (1984-1987)
  • Maine Phillies (1988)
  • Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons (1989-2006)
  • Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons (2007-2012)- The team will be renamed in 2013.


The timeline for the Clippers stays the same as it only has Columbus Clippers (1977-Present), but I recommended Columbus Jets should be taken out of the Clippers article. The history for the SWB Yankees was originally set as the team was founded as the Jersey City Giants, but in the MiLB article it says the Jersey City Giants were formerly the Albany Senators ( link:[4]).

Also on the Swedish version of the SWB Yankees Wikipedia page, the history agrees with how I traced the club's origins back to the Reading Coal Barons (link:[5], you have to translate it to English).

I think this is a big improvement not just for these ball clubs, but for Wikipedia in general. The references on Wikipedia articles such as the Charleston Charlies don’t exist anymore. I tried to find replacement references, but I can’t find any. If you can find new references to replace the old references, that would be a great help.


New section created by: Helix3255 (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)