Talk:International of Anarchist Federations

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Note on the IFA-IAF-Wiki-page[edit]

RfC: Is anarchy.no a reliable source for IAF?[edit]

Is anarchy.no a reliable source for IAF?

It certainly is, see my talk page (Anna Quist (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

I think that the source is clearly unreliable. It also appears to be POV-pushed by the person creating the website and is rejected by many many editors, see:

--Enric Naval (talk) 14:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

It is not true that "The material from powertech.no & anarchy.no is a combination of fabricated text and some text copied from official web pages". This wrong postulate is clearly rejected and turned down at http://www.anarchy.no/anorgwarning.html . The other things you mention is not relevant Naval, and it is done by a terrible mistake. It was mob rule. See the next chapter on easily verifiable independent third party sources, meeting the principle of verification of Wikipedia. (Anna Quist (talk) 15:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

Comment This has gone on long enough. Wikipedia has been very patient, yet no verifiable, reliably sourced coverage of the "Anarchist International" has emerged (listing the Anarchy.no website and offline fringe publications which no-one can check does not count). It is foolish to continue assuming good faith with Anna Quist when she has deliberately introduced obvious lies and falsehoods to Wikipedia articles in an effort to promote her organizations [sic]. Conflict of interest, clearly disruptive behaviour bordering on vandalism and repeated violation of Wikipedia policy and consensus means that we should tolerate no more of this nonsense. Sincerely, Skomorokh 18:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I agree with Skomorokh, and invoke the anarchist principal of voluntary association in its inverse: the time has come to voluntarily disassociate from Anna Quest. I was patient after she made novice attempts to bend her behavior to the rules of Wikipedia, but the constant vandalism has finally gone too far. I call shenanigans! --Cast (talk) 18:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment I suggest you check out the forums at anarchism.net, which Anna has been harassing for over two years now. She has a total inability to accept anything that contradicts what she says, although she never presents any evidence other than the AI's website (In other words, we're supposed to take AI's word on itself and nobody else'.) She has committed more logical fallacies than the entire neo-conservative movement. Zazaban (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

A.Q.: What a bunch of "anarcho"capitalists and "free"market"anarchists" on the so called "Anarchism.net" says about me are just lies, and totally irrelevant in this context. Per Bylund the boss of "Anarchism.net" calls posts from organizations spam, and delete it. A very strange definition of spam... In the next chapter I have quoted verifiable third party sources, supporting my view, 100% in line with the Wikipedia principle of verification. The Southern IFA, Zazaban, etc have no verification at all for their claims. It is all based on lies and smearstories, rejected at http://www.anarchy.no/anorgwarning.html (Anna Quist (talk) 19:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC))
The references you have provided are not verifiable because they are either hosted on your own website, Anarchy.no, or are in inaccessible offline sources. Skomorokh 19:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
You simply prove my point. Where on earth are the verifications for what the AI says? As far as I can tell, the AI seems to think it has the power to verify itself and that anything that contradicts what the AI says is wrong, because the AI says so. That's circular reasoning, a major logical fallacy. Zazaban (talk) 20:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
A.Q.: So real hardcopy sources are not accessible. You make me laugh. Are you nuts or something??? Have you heard about libraries, and their services? (Anna Quist (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC))
The hard copies you're referencing are not available to us by libraries. Libraries operate on budgets, and can't stock every book in the world, much less political tracts and pamphlets. If you have access to these texts, how about scanning the pages and hosting them on anarchy.no?--Cast (talk) 19:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
A.Q.:The quotes are on anarchy.no, see http://www.anarchy.no/ifadok.html . I have not the possiblity to scan them, but I am sure you can get the CIRA library to confirm that the quotes are correct. Mail them at CIRA cira[at]plusloin.org. I can alternatively take hardcopies of the journals and send them to you by snail mail. Send me your snailmail adress at fb[at]powertech.no . We have the issues mentioned in the IIFOR archives, see http://www.anarchy.no/iifor.html .
(Anna Quist (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

Comment No, it's not a reliable source because of link from AIF website provided by Enric Naval. -- Vision Thing -- 15:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Quotes from the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF[edit]

Here are the relevant quotes in the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF. Most large libraries on anarchism, say as the IISG in Amsterdam, and CIRA in Switzerland, have these journals. Thus it is easy verifiable, meeting Wikipedia's principle of verification:

I have been blocked[edit]

Notable sources?[edit]

I cannot seem to find any notable sources referencing the IAF. It appears that the only mentions of the IAF are self-published materials by members of the IAF. Can anyone help me find a notable reference of the IAF in a major English speaking news source? Thanks. --0nonanon0 (talk) 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Looking through the 1968 Times article (I have posted a link), two people mentioned have articles in Wikipedia (one is in Italian). Daniel Cohn-Bendit was an unofficial observer and Umberto Marzocchi was the "occassional chairman". Publications linked to these two people may provide more sources. Also, a Canadian anarchist website[3] contains books and articles, some of which may have been published in mainstream media. Cuban anarchism: the history of a movement by Frank Fernández[4] mentions the Congress of Carrara on p. 107. The page is omitted from Google Books but is available on the Candian site.[5] It also mentions the attendance of Domingo Rojas who is mentioned in the Time Magazine article. The Four Deuces (talk) 01:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a brief mention of the IAF in the Encyclopedia of the United Nations and international agreements, Volume 1 in the "Anarchism" article.[6] The Four Deuces (talk) 00:44, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

i added a third party ref tag. considering the number of primary external links, this article needs more references, or it should be trimmed back in its content and ext links. im writing this after a deletion review decision was "keep", which i agree with.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Based on the two sources I've seen in other major media I agree with the keep, still the article has much more information in it and about it than is availabl in reliable news sources. I encourage you all to improve the article by demonstrating where the info is coming from (out side of inside pamphlets). :) Peace and happy editing. --0nonanon0 (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)


I'm trying to help compile this article, as a member of the British AFed, and consequently a member of IAF/IFA, I realise that most of the stuff on IAF will be from us, mainly due to the lack of coverage by mainstream, or other news sources, on our organisation, instead choosing to refer to all anarchists as marching under one banner. I'll look for some other outside sources though, and I'll ask some other members who may know where to get some. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libleft (talkcontribs) 15:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
You might want to go to a reference library and look up some of the many books written about anarchism. There is not much likely to be found in newspapers. In fact the major political internationals receive almost no news coverage. The Four Deuces (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I concur. this subject would benefit from print references, especially smaller independent newspapers or more obscure political books whose content is not online. they would not be truly reliable, but more reliable than primary sources to establish how high a profile these groups actually ever achieve. again, while its nice to have links to anarchist websites to show some level of existence, this articles content must come primarily from third party sources. the problem i see is that its too easy to start adding content to an article once its established that its notable. the CONTENT must be notable. someone outside the subject must have written about the material presented here. unfortunately, there doesnt appear to be a lot of attention given to this org outside the org itself. i would still see the article trimmed back to basic facts, with the refs turned into external links , and limit the number, or its a link farm, though obviously not a commercial, capitalist link farm :).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)