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Sahara[edit]

really there is no censoreship? oh.. maybe there is no internet at all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.87.136.197 (talk) 02:39, 13 June 2011‎

USA and Google do not support the UN move to control the Internet[edit]

USA announces they will not stand with the UN vote to regulate the Internet.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/12/13/us-refuses-to-sign-un-internet-regulations/
FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk)

Cf: Global_Internet_Freedom_Task_Force — FYI also, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Seems like something for the Internet governance article. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 12:34, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Are protection of intellectual property and copyright forms of censorship?[edit]

Several changes were made to the article that removed mention of intellectual property and copyrighted material as possible targets of or motivations for censorship. The changes were made at 15:54 on 11 February 2013‎ by User:Xenophrenic with the edit summary "wording per cited sources; (note cite actually says prop rights is regulation, not a major objective of filtering, pg 9); copy edit". I'm not sure if the problem here was that the statements did not seem to be well supported by the cited reference (in which case we could reword or look for better references) or if the feeling is that blocking access to intellectual property and copyrighted material aren't examples of censorship (in which case deleting the material is probably appropriate).

Here are the changes (emphasis added):

Before:

There are several motives or rationales for Internet censorship: politics and power, social norms and morals, and security concerns. Protecting intellectual property rights and existing economic interests are two additional motives for Internet censorship. ...[1]

After:

There are several motives or rationales for Internet filtering: politics and power, social norms and morals, and security concerns. Protecting existing economic interests is an additional emergent motive for Internet filtering. ...[1]

Before:

Protection of intellectual property and existing economic interests (sub-section heading)
Sites that share content that violates copyright or other intellectual property rights are often blocked, particularly in western Europe and North America. In addition the protection of existing economic interests is sometimes the motivation for blocking new Internet services ....[1]

After:

Protection of existing economic interests (sub-section heading)
The protection of existing economic interests is sometimes the motivation for blocking new Internet services ....[1]
References
  1. ^ a b c d "Measuring Global Internet Filtering", Robert Faris and Nart Villeneuve, in Access Denied: The Practice and Policy of Global Internet Filtering, Ronald Deibert, John Palfrey, Rafal Rohozinski, and Jonathan Zittrain, eds., MIT Press (Cambridge), 2008

Should intellectual property and copyright as targets of or motives for censorship be removed from or included in the article? Or asked in much more concrete terms, is the fact that sites such as the Pirate Bay are blocked in some countries a from of Internet censorship or not? --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 20:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Deleting the above noted content as unsourced was appropriate. You are correct, however, that a broader discussion could be had as to the definition of censorship, especially as it applies to intellectual property, creative works and content, etc. Most would agree that Wal-Mart's decision to not carry certain books, CDs, DVDs (because they find something objectionable) can be considered a form of censorship. Most would disagree, however, that Wal-Mart's decision to sell (for money) books, CDs and DVDs, instead of letting customers walk away with them for free, is a form of censorship. Likewise, when a state, government or major industry seeks to prohibit the public's access to property (intellectual, tangible, or otherwise), most would consider that a form of censorship; but seeking only to inhibit customers from walking away with the property for free, while still leaving its availability unrestricted to the public -- most would agree that does not constitute censorship. Xenophrenic (talk) 21:31, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Xenophrenic, thanks for your comments. I am hoping that additional editors will comment as well. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:14, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

What if Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) passed and became law?[edit]

If this happens, the United States on the Internet censorship map will have to change from green (little/no censorship) to instant pink (pervasive). Jonghyunchung (talk) 11:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

There is some informtion on CISPA in the Internet censorship in the United States article as well as the separate article on Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Questionnaire results rounded up?[edit]

I'm guessing they were since the question "Increased government control of the Internet would have no effect." adds up to 101%. Can someone fix this? Thanks Jenova20 (email) 17:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done. The values for each question all add up to 99%, 100%, or 101%. The 99% and 101% values are due to rounding, but the rounding was done in the original report. So the material is quoted accurately and there isn't any good way to "fix it". It doesn't cause a real problem. I did add a note alerting readers to this issue. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Okedokie! Thanks for the reply Jenova20 (email) 10:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Criticisms section?[edit]

Shouldn't there be a "Criticisms" section, outlining all the arguments for why attempts to censor the internet in general are bad? Nottrobin (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe. Everything in Wikipedia needs to be presented with a neutral point of view. It is hard to write "Criticism sections" that are neutral. Some, perhaps many, people feel that some Internet censorship is a good thing, depending on what is being censored (child pornography is one example). So any section needs to present both the "bad" and the "good" reasons for Internet censorship. Keep in mind that Wikipedia generally discourages pro and con lists in favor of a more general discussion integrated into the body of the article. And the discussion needs to offer a worldwide perspective and not just a U.S. or western perspective. --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 17:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

RfC concerning the Lavabit email service[edit]

There is a request for comments (RfC) that may be of interest. The RfC is at

Talk:Lavabit#RfC: Should information about Lavabit complying with previous search warrants be included?

At issue is whether we should delete or keep the following text in the Lavabit article:

Before the Snowden incident, Lavabit had complied with previous search warrants. For example, on June 10, 2013, a search warrant was executed against Lavabit user Joey006@lavabit.com for alleged possession of child pornography.

Your input on this question would be very much welcome. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Treatment of Google in sub-section on " Major web portal official statements on site and content removal"[edit]

User:Jarble and I have been going around about adding a link to Censorship by Google in the sub-section that talks about Major web portal official statements on site and content removal or even pulling out the three items about Google into a new sub-sub-section on "Content removal by Google". I don't think that Google should be singled out any differently than the other providers listed, either by adding a template at the top or by creating a new sub-sub-section. The article on Censorship by Google is already listed in the Censorship and websites template that appears toward the bottom of the article. The template has links to "Censorship by" articles for several other companies. If someone feels that the visibility of censorship by companies need to be raised in the Internet censorship article, that is fine. I just don't think the place to do it is in the sub-section on "Terms of service". And, if something is done, it should be done for all of the companies and not just Google.

--Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Internet censorship map colors?[edit]

There is a discussion going on over in Wikipedia Commons about possible changes to the colors used in the Internet Censorship map and elsewhere. It would be good to get some additional editors comments on this. If you are willing, would you pop over to Commons:File talk:Internet Censorship World Map.svg and let us know what you think? --Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 21:17, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Censorship Source Software[edit]

Please provide practical instructions on how to detect if your web server has been blocked, who it was blocked by, and what to do about it. I have some websites that were working until recently. I can access the server via TeamViewer and I found the server is working on localhost but I cannot access any webpage such as www.freetom.info online or by direct IP address http://75.139.208.52/ My only clue it might be government censorship is my city administrator reported me to the US Attorney’s Office of Civil Rights because of an email he didn't like. I know I can simply move the server to get a new IP address but I would like to know what the problem is first. 209.34.136.42 (talk) 04:31, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not an Instruction manual or How to guide. See WP:NOTMANUAL. Without stronger evidence, I would not assume government censorship just because you can't reach your websites. I would contact your ISP or web hosting company for assistance. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)