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[edit] The page "Inuit" is mixed page

The page Inuit is mixed page! The Inuit peoples are Inuit languages speaking peoples: Inupiat people (or Alaskan Inuit people; own language: Inupiat language) + Inuvialuk people (or Western Canadian Inuit people; own language: Inuvialuk language or Western Canadian Inuktitut) + Inuit people (or Eastern Canadian Inuit people; own language Inuktitut or Eastern Canadian Inuktitut) + Kalaallit (or Greenlandic Inuit people; own language: Greenlandic language or Kalaallisut) --Kmoksy (talk) 22:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Language is only one criterion when deciding article content. Many cultural aspects are shared between the various sub-groups, so it makes sense to keep it all together. I think the article does a good job of explaining the distinctions and similarities. Franamax (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Must be separated by two sheets of this Inuit page: 1) Inuit peoples (all Eskimo [excluded Yupik peoples] languages speaking peoples = Inupiat people, Inuvialuk people, Eastern Canadian Inuit people and Kalaallit); 2) Inuit people (only Inuktitut or Eastern Canadian Inuktitut speaking people) --Kmoksy (talk) 23:18, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
You have not explained the '[m]ust" part of separating anything. Why is language the determinant when so much else is similar? The choice of article content and scope is not solely decided on linguistic grounds. Amd as far as I know, those "languages" are actually language families, or at least composed of distinctive sub-dialects. What distinct content do you propose for separate articles, other than noting the language variant, which this article already does? Franamax (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
The page Inuit → Must have 2 separate pages = Inuit peoples and Inuit people (see above↑). The page Inuit peoples is not Eskimo peoples. The Eskimo peoples page included Yupik peoples and Inuit peoples. OK. --Kmoksy (talk) 01:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree there are some naming problems, however this is reflective of what has been published by many scientific fields (not just linguistics). All we can do is regurgitate what is out there.......... The term Eskimo has pejorative connotations in Canada and some in Greenland.[1] Indigenous peoples have replaced the term Eskimo with Inuit.[2][3] The Yupik of Alaska and Siberia do not consider themselves Inuit, and ethnographers agree they are a distinct people.[4][3] They prefer the terminology Yupik, Yupiit, or Eskimo. The Yupik languages are linguistically distinct from the Inuit languages.[4] Linguistic groups of Arctic people have no universal replacement term for Eskimo, inclusive of all Inuit and Yupik people across the geographical area inhabited by the Inuit and Yupik peoples.[1][4][5][6]Moxy (talk) 02:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  1. ^ a b Natalie M. Rosinsky (2004). The Inuit. Compass Point Books. pp. 5–. ISBN 978-0-7565-0640-7. http://books.google.com/books?id=9heSS2Vv5VgC&pg=PA5. Retrieved 7 August 2011. 
  2. ^ Native Americans today: resources and activities for educators, grades 4–8. Teacher Ideas Press, 2000. 2002. p. 3. ISBN 9781563086946. http://books.google.com/?id=p5SnvwKV5m8C&pg=PA3&dq=%22Inuit+or+Eskimo#v=onepage&q&f=true. Retrieved 2011-01-27. 
  3. ^ a b ""Eskimo" vs. "Inuit"". Expansionist Party of the United States. http://www.expansionistparty.org/Eskimo.html. Retrieved 2009-10-05. 
  4. ^ a b c Olson, James Stuart; Pappas, Nicholas Charles (1994). An Ethnohistorical dictionary of the Russian and Soviet empires. Connecticut Greenwood Press. p. 213. ISBN 0313274975. http://books.google.ca/books?id=CquTz6ps5YgC&lpg=PA213&dq=Yupik%20of%20Alaska%20and%20Siberia%20do%20not%20consider%20themselves%20Inuit&pg=PA213#v=onepage&q&f=true. 
  5. ^ Leslie Strudwick (1 October 2009). Inuit. Weigl Publishers Inc.. ISBN 978-1-59036-157-3. http://books.google.com/books?id=ROP9FqP-tc4C. Retrieved 7 August 2011. 
  6. ^ Danielle Corriveau (2002). The Inuit of Canada. Lerner Publications. pp. 8–. ISBN 978-0-8225-4850-8. http://books.google.com/books?id=yjW4Qo8aVa0C&pg=PT8. Retrieved 7 August 2011. 
What is the difference between "Eastern Canadian Inuit" and "Eastern Canadian Inuktitut speaking people"? Having one page called "Inuit peoples" and another called "Inuit people" would be confusing to the average reader, a duplication of material and appears to be original research. Also what you are saying seems to me to would be better covered in Eskimo–Aleut languages, Inuit languages and their sub-articles. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 03:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "Original research"??? Why? The language Inuktitut spoken by Eastern Canadian "Inuit" people (=Eastern Canadian "Inuktitut" speaking people). The "Globalize/Canada": The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with Canada and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject. I agree. The page Inuit is mixed and "Canada-phile" (as Anglophile and Francophile). The usage of term "Eskimo" is not Anti-Canadianism. "The term Eskimo has pejorative connotations in Canada and some in Greenland". But, the term "Eskimo" is NOT PEJORATIVE in all World [excluded "Canada" and "Greenland"]. The Yupik peoples do NOT LIVE in Canada and Greenland. The usage of the term "Eskimo" is not pejorative by Nunivak Yupik (= Cup'ig) people: Nuniwarmiut Piciryarata Tamaryalkuti (= We are called Eskimo by Westerners. Although this is a term that some disapprove of, it does not bother us. There are many "Eskimo" groups, so nowadays we prefer to be identified as Cup'ig). I am Eskimo. My left hand is Yupik and my right hand is Inuit and my brother is Aleut. OK --Kmoksy (talk) 04:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • The description of the page Inuit (: "The Inuit are a group of culturally similar indigenous peoples inhabiting the Arctic regions of Canada (Northwest Territories, Nunatsiavut, Nunavik, Nunavut, Nunatukavut), Denmark (Greenland), Russia (Siberia) and the United States (Alaska).[2]") is not for Inuit people or peoples. This description is for Eskimo peoples (Yupik peoples & Inuit peoples). The reference number [2] is Inuit Circumpolar Council and all Eskimo-Aleut languages speaking peoples are "Inuit" by Inuit Circumpolar Council: inuitcircumpolar.com 6. "Inuit" means indigenous members of the Inuit homeland recognized by Inuit as being members of their people and shall include the Inupiat, Yupik (Alaska), Inuit, Inuvialuit (Canada), Kalaallit (Greenland) and Yupik (Russia). This description is a political description and not scientific and not ethnological! NOTE: Inuit, Inuvialuit (Canada) are Canadian Inuits: Inuvialuk people (= Western Canadian Inuit people; own language: Inuvialuk language = Western Canadian Inuktitut) + Inuit people (= Eastern Canadian Inuit people; own language Inuktitut = Eastern Canadian Inuktitut) --Kmoksy (talk) 01:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Not sure what your saying - do you have any references to explained your position?Moxy (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
The Eskimo is the common name of Yupik and Inuit both and the Inuit is the common name of Alaskan Inupiat, Canadian Inuit and Greenlanders. The Inuit is synonymous of Eskimo only usage by Inuit Circumpolar Council and this usage is a Canadianism and not global usage! Okay! --Kmoksy (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes you are correct and is why the article says this with a banner at the top of the article.Moxy (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree exactly at the banner ("The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with Canada and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject.") at the top of the article. The description of the article created by "Canadianists" and not global description. The article is created for all Eskimo-speaking peoples; is not Inuit peoples (excl. Yupik) or Inuit people (iku = Canadian Inuit = Inuktitut [ike] and Inuvialuktun [ikt] speaking peoples; esp. Eastern Canadian Inuit people). Inuktitut-speaking Eastern Canadian Inuit people's (or Canadians' political) opinion is dominated at the article --Kmoksy (talk) 19:44, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Inupiat as Inuit?

It was my understanding that the Inupiat resented being categorized as an Inuit subgroup. The classification of Inupiat as Inuit seems to come from the Inuit Circumpolar Council, a group which likes to classify all indigenous peoples of the Arctic as Inuit.Kraftiga (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Modern culture section?

I am concerned with the first sentence of the modern culture section, which emphasizes negatives, has no citation and also does not transition to the next items in the paragraph. Thoughts? Ntomlin (talk) 05:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

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