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Occult sects[edit]

Isn't the notion of invisible church prominent among occult sects ? It would seem that they would disregard and condemn any non-members as being part of the visible world, and not part of the invisible occult world. ADM (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That makes no sense. Occult means 'hidden'. It doesn't mean invisible. Invisible also is not understood in this sense to contrast with visible. Members of the invisible church are supposed to mingle with the visible church. This is made clear in the article. Comiscuous (talk) 23:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

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To not merge on the grounds that these are distinct and independently notable topics. Klbrain (talk) 07:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge Believers' Church into Church invisible. I believe the Believers' Church article discusses a theological concept akin to what is discussed at the Church invisible article, here. The former term also seems to not have many references to warrant its existence. What are your thoughts? Anupam^Talk 21:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the Schleitheim Confession, 1644 Baptist Confession of Faith, and Assemblies of God Statement of Fundamental Truths (which are cited in the Believers' Church article) make no explicit reference to the Believers' Church doctrine. What are your thoughts User:PPEMES, User:Hazhk, and others? With regards, Anupam^Talk 21:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support: The Confessions of Faith cited in the Believers' Church article make no reference to a concept of "Believers' Church"; the content therein is describing the doctrine of the Church Invisible. It should thus be merged into this article. Anupam^Talk 21:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. PPEMES (talk) 04:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Against. Two different topics, as the 25 references show in Believers' Church article. 3 books have the mention "Believers Church" in their title. Philip LeMasters, Discipleship Between Creation and Redemption: Toward a Believers' Church Social Ethic, University Press of America, USA, 1997. Donald F. Durnbaugh, The Believers' Church: The History and Character of Radical Protestantism, Wipf and Stock Publishers, USA, 2003. John Howard Yoder, Theology of Mission: A Believers Church Perspective, InterVarsity Press, USA, 2014. An article centered on the subject in George Thomas Kurian, Mark A. Lamport, Encyclopedia of Christianity in the United States, Volume 5, Rowman & Littlefield, USA, 2016, p. 222-223. --ServB1 (talk) 21:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Against: Not the same thing. Protestant churches that baptize infants (such as Presbyterians, evangelical Anglicans, etc.) also distinguish between the visible and invisible church. Ltwin (talk) 22:01, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Capitalization?[edit]

In Christian usage the capitalization (or not) of "church" is often significant. Capitalization of the article topic is inconsistent. Should it be "Church invisible"/"invisible Church" to indicate a single elect body known only to God? Not capitalizing may imply this body is not unique but that there may be more than one. -- 21:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Albert Eduard Meier[edit]

"Albert Eduard Meier, as he includes Electric Theory in his teachings, similar to Creationism. [13]"

The only citation given is for a text in latin. This person also lacks a wikipedia page. A google search for this person turns up someone who goes by "Billy" Meier who runs some sort of UFO church. If this reference really is relevant to the present article, then whoever is meant by Albert Eduard Meier should have a wikipedia article of his own and the quoted reference should include a proper citation. As it stands, it is not clear who is meant by "Albert Eduard Meier". If this issue cannot be solved with a proper citation, in english, or with some similar remedy, then the reference should simply be deleted. Comiscuous (talk) 00:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]