Talk:Iraq Family Health Survey

Name Change

The name of this survey is the "Iraq Family Health Survey" (IFHS). The parties behind it are called the "Iraq Family Health Survey Study Group" which is a collaborative effort of six organizations listed in the study's appendix: the Federal Ministry of Health, Baghdad; Kurdistan Ministry of Planning, Erbil; Kurdistan Ministry of Health, Erbil; Central Organization for Statistics and Information Technology, Baghdad; World Health Organization Iraq office, Amman, Jordan; World Health Organization, Geneva.

From the paper: "Results from the Iraq Family Health Survey (IFHS), which was conducted in 2006 and 2007, provide new evidence on mortality in Iraq. Methods The IFHS is a nationally representative survey of 9345 households that collected information on deaths in the household since June 2001."

"In 2006 and 2007, the Iraq Family Health Survey (IFHS), a cross-sectional, nationally representative survey of 9345 households, was conducted by relevant federal and regional ministries in Iraq in collaboration with the World Health Organization (WHO)." http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMsa0707782

"Iraqi Health Ministry casualty survey" appears to be a name made up for it by the creator of this page, Timeshifter, and is not its actual name. The title of the page should be changed to the actual name of the survey. The full list of contributing organizations should then be given in the body of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stradov (talk • contribs) 23:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• This is a no-brainer move, so I went ahead and did it. Benwing (talk) 04:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

"249,000"

A number of problems with Timeshifter's recent edits on this. If the "400,000" figure estimated by MedPage is inclusive of the IFHS 151,000 violent death estimate, then the remaining 249,000 would have to be derived from "overall mortality from nonviolent causes" being "about 60% higher" post-invasion, as stated in the IFHS.

First, the IFHS itself says these are deaths from "nonviolent causes", not "violent and non-violent causes". That John Tirman doesn't like this and wants some of these (like road accidents) to be called violent deaths is his personal opinion, and that opinion is represented on the page (Though I think Tirman should be asking himself why road accidents aren't classified as violent deaths in the Lancet study he commissioned either. He'd probably discover that this kind of research does not tend to use the term violence to mean any kind of physical trauma, as he's doing). So Timeshifter's edits here are basically rejecting what's stated in the IFHS and substituting the views of Tirman. Second, giving a list that is selectively truncated to a couple causes that Tirman wants us to focus on, out of a much broader set of causes which are not necessarily any less relevant unless you share Tirman's opinions, is inappropriate. Third, these changes will confuse the readers of the page by blurring the connection between this 249,000 number and the 60% increase from nonviolent causes quoted from the IFHS Q&A quoted directly below and from which the number must derive.

Lastly, Timeshifter also changed the description of the violent deaths here from 151,000 "violence-related deaths", the term used in the IFHS, to "were war-related, violent deaths". This replaces a correct description for an incorrect one. The IFHS Q&A quoted directly below states that the 151,000 is an estimate of violent deaths that occurred simply during the war, and does not estimate how many of these were war-related or not war-related.

All of these changes have just made this paragraph more argumentative and incorrect.Stradov (talk) 09:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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