Talk:Irish Famine (1740–41)

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Ireland lost Over 2,000,000 of its population.

bliain an áir[edit]

I move to change this from "Irish Famine (1740-1741)" to the name by which it is commonly known, Blianan a air. Thoughts? Fergananim (talk) 14:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

- Depends on wikipedia's naming conventions. I'm not sure what you mean by "commonly known", I'd guess you mean in Ireland? Is there a general naming preference to name Irish events in Irish? I'd say to help wider understanding (certainly in the English language version of wikipedia) the title should include the English language title as well as the Gaelic term. I notice the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article is titled in English and subtitled in the Irish. Including the dates would also be worthwhile. My vote: keep it in English but subtitle in Gaelic, like the Great_Famine_(Ireland) article. --mgaved (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

"English people"[edit]

Paragraph 2 in Causes has an odd turn of phrase: "Though no barometric or temperature readings for Ireland (population in 1740 of 2.4 million people) survive from the Great Frost, English people were using the mercury thermometer invented 25 years earlier by the German pioneer Fahrenheit. Indoor values during January 1740 were as low as 10 °F (−12 °C)" .

I *think* the author is trying to say that no barometric/temperature reading exist from the time measuring temperatures in Ireland, but ones from England do, and these were reading as low as 10 °F (−12 °C) at the time. Do other people think this is what might be said? Needs rewriting anyway, also needs a reference. Plus I am not sure how meteorologically relevant it is to compare temperatures in England (and which part, England has a wide climatic range) to those in Ireland.

--mgaved (talk) 21:05, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

It is an odd turn of phrase. I have a copy of Dickson's book here somewhere and will see if he has anything to say on the matter. May be tomorrow before I get back on this. RashersTierney (talk) 21:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
p11 from above; "Scientific enthusiasts in Dublin and Cork had begun to measure weather, specifically rainfall and temperature, but they could offer little insight into why..." and p12 ; "No barometric or temperature readings for Ireland made during the Great Frost survive" and "...but even in England there were only a few men who by 1739 were in the habit of regularly taking temperature readings." I think the author is pretty clear, and that your interpretation is correct, just that it hasn't been very well put in the article. I'll edit the article with a view to clarifying when I have a bit more time. RashersTierney (talk) 00:14, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
cheers RashersTierney. That would be great, nice referencing as well, will strenghten the article. --mgaved (talk) 14:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Needs more sources and data[edit]

This seems to rely on mostly one book - it still needs cites that give page numbers for each quotation. In addition, more numbers should be provided. If Ireland lost 38% of its population, what was its starting population? There must be some estimates, even journal articles. There is mention that the Great Frost affected all of Europe - were deaths comparable in other countries (even allowing for war and poor records, there should be some discussion of it.) There is mention made in the Lead of epidemics, but little reference to disease fatalities in the body of the article. Even if the author was breaking new ground with this study, academic reviews of it might add info and should be consulted as sources; might also reveal other references.Parkwells (talk) 19:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)