Talk:Iron Chef America
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Morimoto's actual win/loss record.
Subliminal McDonald's ad during show?
Iron Chef Lagasse?
Watching last night's Iron Chef America Super Chef battle (with the White House garden theme), I noted Chef Lagasse's white jacket top during the judging segment said "Iron Chef Lagasse" on it. Is this jacket labeling in itself enough to elevate Chef Lagasse to Iron Chef status (akin to similar status as Wolfgang Puck)? For visual proof, see http://www.foodnetwork.com/super-chef-battle/video/index.html video at 0:24, a image in back of the White House, as well as http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2009/12/02/ica_super-chef-battle_emeril-lagasse_s4x3_lg.jpg Erpbridge (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- He wore the full Iron Chef insignia and uniform last night, and other than Symon and Garces, the IC's aren't chosen by competition, just designated. That makes him an Iron Chef in my book. It needs to be written into the article pretty much as you describe -- as a one-night only appearance similar to Wolfgang Puck's. I was planning to do it when I had enough time to write it carefully, but go for it if you'd care to! Drmargi (talk) 18:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
- Have at it... I don't think I'd be able to handle the wording well. I was just wondering because other than the visual references (which may be removed by food network in the future, so watch for the future referencing), he is only verbally described as Super Chef on the webpage, on the show, and in advertisements on television for the show. Erpbridge (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you could call Lagasse an Iron Chef. The Chairman and the captions clearly identify him as a Super Chef; the costume detail may be a production error.PhantomObnserver|talk 18:34, 4 Feb 2010 (UTC)
- Trouble is, that's an assumption. The Food Network page and his uniform identify him as an Iron Chef. On the other hand, if you look at how he's presented in the article, at least what I've written (which I think is pretty much everything), it's reasonably clear this was a one-shot deal. He's not in the records table, nor in the infobox; he just gets a mention in the narrative. --Drmargi (talk) 07:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
The Super Chef Battle: Fruits and Vegetables
If we want to be accurate on this detail, one just needs to mention that the fruits and vegetables picked from the White House garden were delivered to a local food pantry. The produce used in Kitchen Stadium in New York were replacements, possibly originating closer to New York. However, honey (the only ingredient that does not spoil) was the one item that could be and was shipped to New York from the White House beehive. (This issue started a controversy in the American political world, but I believe only the facts should be written and the politics be set aside.) Both teams were only allowed to use the types and amount of produce they picked in the White House garden. I remember Bobby Flay getting upset at Mario Batali for taking of both available colored cauliflowers. Tape delay production likely prevented Food Network from shipping the produce from Washington. After all, if you think about it, taking fruits and vegetables from the White House garden to New York City defeats the purpose of using locally grown produce. Dallas Morning News DaDoc540 (talk) 04:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- This was widely publicized at the time, and I believe there is a note to that effect on the episodes page. If not, it's easily added. Drmargi (talk) 05:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Controversy about show buried in this article
This article could do with addressing the controversy regarding the staged nature of this show more directly.
There have been a number of reports about the staged nature of the production of this show, most aspects of which Food Network has eventually conceded to. Some of these aspects are included in the article (e.g. ingredients known ahead, only one chef present etc.) but they are buried; the editing shows a favorable bias towards the show. It does not take long researching the show to find many articles about the show and how the highly edited and staged production is not at all transparent to its viewers.
Much of this controversy was "handled" by Food Network by admitting to it not being real, this article pretends as though it was always obvious this was the case (as does Food Network). I could imagine Food Network's PR wanting the page in its current state which I believe intentionally clouds the aspects of this show which are not real and its history.
My edit referencing the Village Voice article detailing the production of the show source was reverted twice by User:DrMargi. The first revert cites a non-objective source (Ted Allen, Food Network), the second just seems to say it's factually incorrect. VV is a 3rd party source with more legitimacy than a Food Network spokesperson.
DrMargi, can we agree on some way to update the article to better surface the controversy regarding the show (that can be easily found from objective sources with some basic research)?
While the wording can be changed, grouping together the information which makes clear the aspects of the show which are staged etc would make the article better reflect the history of the show, which is not nearly as clean as the article indicates. Also, I was not able to find your claimed refutation of the VV article by Ted Allen, which I would like to read [despite this not being an objective source].
Batali and Cora
A month ago, an edit was made to the IC navigation template to show Batali and Cora as still Iron Chefs, saying that there was no sourcing for them having retired. Cora's own page lists her as an IC through 2012. I'm pretty sure both are no longer IC, but we probably do need official sourcing. Does anyone have any sourcing for either or both of them leaving the show? - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- None, and I wish we did so they can be noted as retired. Cora's article is no help; it has several errors that I spotted quickly. Batali quite obviously parted company with Food Network under not entirely good terms once his shows were canceled, and Cora is on Bravo now, so common sense tells us they've gone. Sadly, common sense doesn't meet WP:VERIFY. --Drmargi (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm. OTOH, it's verifiable that they are not currently on the show. Whether or not they are officially "retired" is another matter. Betali's article discusses his removal from the opening. That's a fact that could likely be cited directly to the show itself. Hmm..... - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- To add to the confusion, Alexandra Guarnaschelli's page mentions in the lead that she is the only current female IC. A fact which is only true if Cora is retired. Sigh. - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)