Talk:Islamic–Jewish relations

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"2. Jews in the Quran."[edit]

Please add this to give neutrality and balance to the currently totally one sided biased section "2. Jews in the Quran." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Judaism#Jews_in_the_Qur.27an

Quran 98:6 Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. [1]

Quran 5:65 And if only the People of the Scripture had believed and feared Allah , We would have removed from them their misdeeds and admitted them to Gardens of Pleasure. [2]

Quran 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [3]

Quran 5:60 Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those (Jews) whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way." [4]

Quran 7:166 So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised." [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.44.195 (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

2.97.44.195's has a valid point. The section about Jews in Qu'ran appears one sided, and should probably be expanded a little to include these or other verses in the interests of fairer representation. The section is writ to cast a more positive light on the Qu'ran's views on Jews but such an interpretation is not universally accepted. Jargon777 Leave a message 18:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Islamic–Jewish relations[edit]

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Reference named "EI":

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RfC[edit]

BulbBAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Tag re Historical Interaction section[edit]

This section is quite poorly written (repetitive and poorly structured), but more importantly it contains a strong POV bias - primarily in the "Middle Ages" subsection. There is a similar debate open in the linked "main article". My observations are as follows (each of which can be easily sourced via WP:RS:

  • It does not make reference to Islamic Iraq's place as the world center of Judaism
  • It does not state that Jews held senior government positions in the main Islamic countries throughout the period
  • It does not state that European-style antisemitism was unknown in the Islamic countries until it was imported in the 19th century initially by the French (see Damascus affair)
  • The sentences "The notable examples of massacre of Jews include the killing or forcible conversion of them by the rulers of the Almohad dynasty in Al-Andalus in the 12th century.[38][39]....Most conversions were voluntary and happened for various reasons. However, there were some forced conversions in the 12th century under the Almohad dynasty of North Africa and al-Andalus as well as in Persia.[41]" are confused in tone - the first part is clear POV whilst the second appears more balanced. Neither however provide adequate context to explain the conversions (available in the articles about the incidents), with which it would imply a different story
  • The sentence "Notable examples of the cases where the choice of residence was taken away from them includes confining Jews to walled quarters (mellahs) in Morocco beginning from the 15th century and especially since the early 19th century.[40]" suggests European-style ghettoisation. The Mellah article itself suggests a very different story, as does the source added at Talk:Mellah.
  • The "Conversion of Muslims to Judaism" is overly simplistic, with incorrect sentences such as "Judaism does not proselytize". The article Proselytism#Judaism does a much more accurate job.

Oncenawhile (talk) 00:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Most of Iraq's history as a center of Judaism predates Islam.
  • Jews did occasionally hold senior government positions in Islamic countries. You can add a few examples if you like.
  • European-style antimsemitism was indeed imported in the 19th century. Before that, they had their own version of what would today would be called antisemitism.
  • What different story do you think is implied by other articles regarding forced conversions?
  • What very different story do you think the Mellah article suggests?
  • Judaism has not proselytized since Hellenistic times. Except for maybe some individuals, few and far between. The sentence is not overly simplistic. The examples given in this article do not suggest proselytizing. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 01:00, 10 December 2012 (UTC)