Talk:Israeli Navy

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
WikiProject Israel (Rated C-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Military history (Rated Start-Class)
MILHIST This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.
Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality assessment scale.

Aesthetics[edit]

Whatever the correctness of the quote, I think displaying it in three different ways, in two languages (I think), is unaesthetic. I suggest keeping the hebrew & English? Thoughts? Objections? Zenosparadox 05:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


I think this image should be removed. It shows the Sinai Peninsula, and has little relevance to the Israeli Navy. A map would be a better choice.

Indeed. The Israeli Navy has no regular operation in the Gulf of Suez and the Red Sea, and they are also beyond the territorial waters of israel. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 07:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Motto fix[edit]

With all due to respect. You are speaking English not Hebrew. Thus your coreection is wrong. The term is land. when Ordinary Sailor (OS) is on the fly bridge he states land. You are speaking English in Hebrew which is wrong sorry.

In all navies it is said land not shore. Kind regards

Fttxguru (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC).

The quote is REALLY wrong. I've been in the navy for over a year and I've never heard it before. If at all it should be: "Yam batuach, hof patuach"(ים בטוח, חוף פתוח, "Secure sea, open beach").

Or maybe: "בים דרכך ושביליך במים רבים ועקבותיך לא נודעו"?
In any case, Deror Avi just reverted my change, called it nonsense and that's it. No comment, no nothing. I have no idea where it came from. Yes, maybe your quote is more correct. I don't know. The navy doesn't really have a "motto". Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 23:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
It is ים פתוח - חוף בטוח ("safe beach - open sea"). El_C 08:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
no it isn't. Check the left inner wall of the MATAT. It's there. Deror 20:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

These blind reverts are not to your credit (it is the sea arm, not branch), as for that passage being the motto, you're hard pressed to prove this:

  1. חטיבת גולני: "חטיבה מס' 1"
  2. סיירת מטכ"ל: "המעז מנצח"
  3. חיל השריון הישראלי: "האדם שבטנק ינצח"
  4. חיל ההנדסה הישראלי: "ראשונים תמיד"
  5. חיל הים: "ים פתוח - חוף בטוח".
  6. חיל האוויר: "הטובים לטיס".
  7. חיל מודיעין השדה הישראלי: "הצופה שלפני המחנה"
  8. חטיבת הצנחנים: "ניזום, נוביל, נהווה דוגמה - וננצח"
  9. חטיבת הנח"ל: "היתרון האנושי"
  10. חטיבת גבעתי: "יחידת סגולה"
  11. חיל התותחנים הישראלי: "התחכום והעוצמה"
  12. אגף המודיעין: "לך דומיה תהילה"
  13. לוט"ם: "כי יש בה הכל"
  14. אגף התקשוב: "המברק עבור יעבור"
  15. בה"ד 1: "ממני תראו וכן תעשו"
  16. תוכנית תלפיות: "לנצח בחוכמה"

El_C 22:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge that is the moto - so it is presented in the Naval Traning Base to all trainees. It is not nesecarly short - why do you think it is: ים פתוח - חוף בטוח? Deror 06:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The motto for the Israeli Sea Corps, along with other IDF units is noted above. See the following source from the IDF website. El_C 08:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
the site is not an official sites and relates only to Shayete Shalosh. Deror 10:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
How is AKA not official? But on closer look, it does not specify if it's used outside of בט"ש units. It dosen't matter, none of the IDF articles I authored have a motto, mainly because I could not really care less about adding these, one way or the other. My main point here though was about the length of the passage —out of which the four-word motto of S-13(?) is dervied of— not being: 1. a motto, 2. it lacking a source indicating that it is the motto for the entire ISC. El_C 21:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Just for the sake of argument I saw the above.

The IDF Navy Motto is as quoted and in English should be written as " Open Sea Safe Land" When you identify beach "Seashore" you say Land that is the tradition of Navy OS (Ordinary Sea-Man) on the watch on the mast top and today on the "fly bridge" watch. That was stated from day one when Navy was founded.

Fttxguru (talk) 09:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Picture of Sinai.[edit]

IMO, this is really irrelevant. Would you put a world map as the top picture in the "US Navy" article???

Everything on that picture label is true (save, perhaps, the part about the gulf of Suez, where Israeli ships have not operated for quite a while now) but I think it's wrong to display it like that. 85.130.160.1 12:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:IL NavyEmblem.jpg[edit]

Nuvola apps important.svg

Image:IL NavyEmblem.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 00:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

INS prefix[edit]

Is INS used officially? There's no reason to use this prefix unless it is really used. For example, USA and UK use USS and HMS but many other countries generally do not. Americans, of course, like to put those prefixes everywhere. :-) (Also, INS conflicts with India's INS...) Mstuomel 01:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Quite widely even. Those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. 04:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Name of this article[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no move. No consensus/no evidence provided to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Kheil Hayam is the Israeli navy. The page should be renamed.--Gilabrand (talk) 06:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually the correct name is Israel Navy, also officially used by the IDF in English. If there are no objections, I'll request this move at WP:RM. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Support move: I support the move of this page to Israel Navy. There are clearly many references to Israel Navy, including their own website, and also follows the format of other branches of their armed forces. Maedin\talk 15:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose I can't see any evidence that the common name for the entity is Israel over Israeli. With none provided and with a quick check of google showing the opposite, there is little other choice. --Narson ~ Talk 00:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - a Google test does not necessarily determine the proper name, and this is a classic case. 'Israeli' is an adjective, and therefore often used as such, without relating to the actual name of the entity. For example, 'Israeli prime minister' is much more common on Google than 'Prime Minister of Israel', the proper name for the post. 'Chinese navy' is much more common than 'People's Republic of China Navy', etc. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Oh, I am not arguing that Israeli Navy is the official name of it or the official translation, only that it is the common name that people are going to put into the search box. I am willing to be proven wrong, but I think the case for the move still needs to be proven. --Narson ~ Talk 16:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Image copyright problem with Image:Protector USV.jpg[edit]

The image Image:Protector USV.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

  • That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
  • That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --00:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Spelling of the title[edit]

It should be Israeli Navy not Israeli navy. Somebody change that Yosy (talk) 08:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

File:IsraelNavy-patch.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion[edit]

Icon Now Commons orange.svg An image used in this article, File:IsraelNavy-patch.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion at Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Copyright violations
What should I do?
Speedy deletions at commons tend to take longer than they do on Wikipedia, so there is no rush to respond. If you feel the deletion can be contested then please do so (commons:COM:SPEEDY has further information). Otherwise consider finding a replacement image before deletion occurs.

This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 20:00, 14 June 2011 (UTC)