Talk:It's Time (Imagine Dragons song)

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Time to call this one off I think, given that it's nearly a month since there was even a single edit to this talk page. The opposes outweigh the supports, and there's clearly no inherent problem with the current title so looks like a clear no consensus to me. (non-admin closure)  — Amakuru (talk) 12:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

It's Time (Imagine Dragons song)It's Time (song) – At present "It's Time" redirects to All This Useless Beauty Unreal7 (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

User:BDD, can you please explain how WP:TWODABS applies when there is It's Time (disambiguation)? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:02, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Chasing the Sun (song) and Girl on Fire (song). Unreal7 (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Per WP:NCM / WP:SONGDAB, I generally believe that the names of artists should be included in the titles of articles about their songs and albums. That makes the titles more clear and recognizable, and avoids future maintenance headaches over whether to consider some particular song or album as primary. Including the name of the artist is helpful to readers, the popularity of music is volatile, and new releases often appear with the same names (or strings of lyrics that might be mistaken for a name). Moreover, in this case, there's no assertion of primary status. Also in this case, since the title is a very short and common simple phrase, I suspect that with a minor amount of searching, we would find that there are already several other songs covered on Wikipedia (in addition to the Elvis Costello song and this one) that fit this topic name. IMHO, there is basically negative value in making song and album articles more ambiguous by removing the names of the artists from their titles. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose: I agree with the above. The current name is inline with all policies and is clear and recognizable. There's no value in making article titles more ambiguous and less clear. Plus it causes unnecessarily long and messy arguments over "primary topic" when other songs eventually pop up. However, I would support the "It's Time (song)" being changed to a Disambiguation page. --Rushton2010 (talk) 01:43, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
    • There's no need to create a dab page at "It's Time (song)". We can just redirect that to "It's Time (disambiguation)" (and I just did). —BarrelProof (talk) 01:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
      @BarrelProof: you're right that according to current WP rules, the redirect should be as you say. However, I personally hate that rule. It doesn't make sense to me for a page with a specific title (e.g. "It's Time (song)") to redirect to a more general one ("It's Time (disambiguation)"). It's Time (song) should be its own page, and should contain exactly the set of articles which is in the songs section of the disambiguation page. I can see that there is a maintenance issue with keeping some overlapping duplicated list of ambiguous topics on the two separate pages, but as Wikipedians we're here to serve our readers not just to make our own lives easier.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose - firstly WP:PDAB lists only mega-exceptions to WP:SONGDAB such as John Lennon's Imagine. And any single by a major artist like Elvis Costello is more notable than anything by Imagine Dragons - A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. As an example the Elvis Costello single has a full page dedicated to it in this book. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. This is the only song titled "It's Time" that has an article or anything approaching coverage anywhere on Wikipedia. The only thing that comes close is the Elvis Costello song, but that's just redirects to All This Useless Beauty where it's mentioned passingly a few times. As BDD says, we can add a hat note to the Elvis Costello album if we really think readers will get confused, but there's no reason to go out of our way to send readers to disambiguation pages when it's not necessary or helpful.--Cúchullain t/c 19:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Let me just recap a little. There are 2 guidelines and one policy that should be informing our decisions. One guideline is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which clearly says there may be a primary topic which might need disambiguation. There is no compunction disambiguate in the guideline and the examples given suggest there must be significant primary topic. There is WP:AT, a policy, which specifically says that its powers are devolved to WP:MUSIC, which includes the direction that songs and albums should not be disambiguated per primary topic (WP:SONGDAB). When read with WP:DAB which says (A "topic covered by Wikipedia" is either the main subject of an article, or a minor subject covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject.). Bearing how many songs and albums called "It's Time" doesn't look like we have a choice but to disambiguate by artist and song.--Richhoncho (talk) 13:49, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.