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Morgans Photography Collection Error.[edit]

"Morgan was also a patron to photographer Edward S. Curtis, offering Curtis $75,000 in 1906, for a series on the Native Americans."

However in Edward S. Curtis's wiki page it says "In 1906 J.P. Morgan offered Curtis $3,000 to produce a series on the North American Indian."

What was it? $75,000 or $3,000? -Patrick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.163.117 (talk) 21:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Was he a Socialist or a Capitalist?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.152.20 (talk) 06:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Shipping[edit]

May I suggest text for inclusion in the Shipping section? Location of inclusion: "... which was forced to apply for bankruptcy protection in 1915. HERE. Analysis of financial records shows that IMM was ..."

Text for inclusion: Morgan incidentally had a personal suite on board the ship, with his own promenade deck and bath, and had booked on its maiden voyage. He fortunately remained however at the French resort of Aix.[1]

Things that did not happen are seldom encyclopedic – let us leave some air for non-Wikipedia resources to publish this sort of stuff. Rjensen (talk) 12:08, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

"Mimi" info needs to be updated[edit]

In 1861, he married Amelia Sturges, a.k.a. Mimi (1835–1862). (Listed in article)

Additions that might need to be researched more fully and added:

Even knowing that "Mimi" had recently been diagnosed with Tuberculosis he married her anyway. Mimi died of tuberculosis only 4 months after her marriage to J.P.Morgan. Morgan was devastated at the time by her death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.0.135 (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Anti-semite[edit]

Can someone add this important information to the article?

http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/antisemitism.html

J.P. Morgan was an anti-semite, be it a quiet one but nevertheless, it needs to be mentioned. What do you all think?101.160.163.244 (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Morgan was not an anti-semite. When he did business with the Rothschilds (Jewish bankers in Europe) Populists denounced Morgan for working with Jews because the Populists blamed the Jews for the world's money troubles. Rjensen (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Although the Vassar piece linked above clearly makes no claim or implication of antisemitism on Morgan's part, a Google check indicates that Chernow and another biographer both made such claims. Are their findings strong enough to require any mention in this article? Fat&Happy (talk) 22:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Chernow points to some snide remarks but no actual incidents. Chernow says Morgan he did a lot of business with some Jewish bankers like seligman but disliked others (p 74). it waxed and waned. At one point when Seligman was blackballed from a club, Morgan said nothing (p 48) -- and in another case he signed a protest [p 90]. Late in life he said the Jews and Rockefeller were getting too powerful in banking [104]. Carosso does not mention the issue. Strouse says "Yet his derogations of Jews were infrequent and offhand, common to the world he knew; they bore none of the personal venom expressed by other Anglo-Saxon patricians, including Henry Adams and his own son, Jack. In 1904 Morgan offered the presidency of one of his major enterprises to the man who seemed most qualified for the job—a German Jew." Jean Strouse (2012). Morgan: American Financier. Random House. p. 218. . Rjensen (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 March 2013[edit]

Please change the name Frank King to John King.

Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). : John King was the President of the Erie Railroad from 1884 to 1894 and a personal friend of J.P. Morgan. This friendship can be verified on Page 276 of Jean Strouse's book "Morgan American Financier". Also the reason for King's being blackballed from the Union Club is not absolutely certain - one report cites King's table manners. (same page, Strouse)

DocentLiz (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Fat&Happy (talk) 20:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Aix-les-Bains[edit]

Please could someone correct "Aix-les-Baines" to "Aix-les-Bains" ? (or let me do it myself) --SGlad (talk) 08:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. You just need to do a few more edits and then you will be able to edit protected articles yourself. Happy editing, Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks --SGlad (talk) 02:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

NO degree from Gottingen[edit]

Per "Morgan: American Financier" by Jean Strouse, Morgan attended classes at Gottingen, but there is NO mention of a degree. In all, it sounds like he only attended for about 9 months or so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.74.31.28 (talk) 01:35, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Homes[edit]

The text states that J.P. Morgan owned a large summer house in Glen Cove, NY. This was in fact owned by his son, J.P. Morgan, Jr. The mansion at this location was not even constructed until 1913 the year of Morgan senior's death. The summer home Morgan owned was called Cragston, located in Highland Falls, NY on the Hudson River. <Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). page 147, Morgan American Financier by Jean Strouse. DocentLiz (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Net Worth[edit]

How come we don't add his net worth in the information box? I think it's fitting. He was one of the richest men in the world after all. Zdawg1029 (talk) 08:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

he seemed much richer than he was ...Morgan died in 1913, leaving an estate of $80 million, Rockefeller was stunned, commenting "and to think he wasn't even a rich man.” [Conlin The American Past: A Survey of American History (2013) - Page 457 Rjensen (talk) 10:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. 80 million dollars in 1913 I read was like 300+ billion today. I wouldn't call that chump change. Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:09, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Wait, I got that a a little wrong. But still, guy had loot.Zdawg1029 (talk) 05:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
People like Rockefeller, Ford, and Carnegie had 10 times as much money to play with but Morgan leveraged his much smaller fortune to give him much greater power in the financial world. In the end, all four men gave away 80-90% of their money to foundations and charities. Rjensen (talk) 05:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
You're right. Adjusted for inflation it says 41 billion, but still, that ain't chump change, I think it's worth making that note. Zdawg1029 (talk) 18:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Many historians have made the point that Morgan leveraged his wealth to make it seem far more important and influential than it was. He had more financial power than Carnegie or Ford or even Rockefeller, although they were worth 10 times as much or more. That is the big story, not the 80 million dollars (Which he spent on artwork), which was dwarfed by the billion dollars that Rockefeller had. Rjensen (talk) 19:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Notes[edit]

  1. ^ Greg Daugherty (March 2012). "Seven Famous People Who Missed the Titanic". Smithsonian Magazine.