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Original research in the Scab section[edit]

The conclusions argued in The Scab section of the article should probably be removed right away unless some outside source can be cited who has published this conclusion. Claiming that London never wrote something because a search engine can't turn it up is pretty weak evidence. Is there a reliable source who tells us that London's every published word and quoted utterance is indexed by Google? And even if there was, then where are the Jack London scholars who say, plainly, that they do not believe that London wrote or said "The Scab" as quoted? Where are the recognized authorities who published their opinion that, "Generally London did not use demotic language in his writing except in dialogue spoken by his characters"?

Certainly it is an interesting theory, but Wikipedia is not the place to publish novel theories. Please see WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH. --Dbratland (talk) 00:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I think your point is valid, please be bold. I think it sufficient to leave the claim that the quote is attributed to London, which leaves the matter as to whether he actually is the origin in question, unless we have a reliable source that treats the issue directly. --Nuujinn (talk) 01:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I think all unsupported opinion has been removed, and references have been supplied; accordingly, I've removed the tag. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Second Marriage Section[edit]

I changed the caption on the pic of Jack and Charmian in the "Second Marriage" section. The pic was taken at the old Winery Cottage (the London's home on Beauty Ranch). Here's a pic showing the porch (left), at the old Winery Cottage where the pic was taken:

J London's Old Winery Cottage.jpg --I NEVER CRY 00:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Jack London a Naturalist[edit]

No part of the article even describes his writing style. I think we can safely call him a naturalist because the wiki article defines it as "a literary movement taking place from 1880s to 1940s that used detailed realism to suggest that social conditions, heredity, and environment had inescapable force in shaping human character." It also states that "Naturalistic works exposed the dark harshness of life." Another part of the definition states that "Naturalistic writers were influenced by Charles Darwin's theory of evolution." This constitutes at least a link and/or mention. An ideal solution would be to add in another topic labeled "Writing Style". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.195.54 (talk) 21:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Accusations of plagiarism[edit]

This part of the article goes at some length describing incidents where London admitted to plagiarism himself and seems to have been repeatedly accused of it. Not a single source is cited for these allegations, not from London, not from any of the other sources. For instance, it ends with "London insisted he had clipped a reprint of the article, which had appeared in an American newspaper, and believed it to be a genuine speech delivered by the Bishop of London." It at no time cites a source inline for this statement, and presumes to take the point of view of London himself. --ScientificBuccaneer (talk) 04:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it's accurate enough but I won't remove your tag until I get it properly cited. Almost every biographer mentions the "deadly parallels." Several incidents are described in his daughter's biography, Jack London and His Times, pp. 324-328, and Russ Kingman's biography has a section on "Plagiarism and Spurious Works" on p. 118-119. At the time I originally wrote this Wikipedia didn't have the ref mechanism in place and the attitude toward citing sources was more relaxed than it is now, hence the sloppiness. I need to find the specific sources I use, e.g. for his comment that he pleaded guilty only to "identity of time and place."
Statements about plagiarism should indeed be held to a high standard of verifiability.Dpbsmith (talk) 01:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm definitely glad I'm not the only one who thinks so, especially in reference to someone as notable as London. It looks like there was really a scandal involving some of his work, and it also looks like his methods were something less than wise, considering. --ScientificBuccaneer (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I've finished adding references for the "accusations of plagiarism" section, I think everything is adequately sourced, and I'm removing the tag.Dpbsmith (talk) 00:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
It looks good to me, all the sources are there, nothing off aside from a couple of redlinks. ScientificBuccaneer (talk) 07:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Appearance in Star Trek[edit]

In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode Time's Arrow, Jack London makes a cameo as a bellhop with a dream to go to Alaska. This is mentioned on the page for the episode, but is this information notable enough to be included on Jack London? Raxicoricofallapatorius (talk) 03:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I would say that it is. I had never heard of Jack London before that episode, in fact, the only reason I am on this page right now is because I am currently watching Time's Arrow and wondered if Jack London was notable. In my world, TNG is far more notable than Jack London. Crackerjack (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC).
It seems that London's notability outside of his appearance in TNG has faded over the years, a matter of opinion though it is. His name is known and associated with landmarks in California, to be sure, but the real challenge here - is his appearance in a speaking role, seen in both episodes of TNG, at that worth a mention? I have to say that I think it is. It's a nice little touch, seeing him opposite the aging and famous Twain, even though the meeting would not have been historically possible, in the context of the episode (Twain had moved to the east coast by 1893). ScientificBuccaneer (talk) 17:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
"It seems that London's notability outside of his appearance in TNG has faded over the years".[citation needed]. In my opinion, the addition of this incredibly minor pop culture reference falls under WP:TRIVIA and WP:CRUFT. The entire "Legacy and honors" section is stingy, and can stand to be expanded -- however, that doesn't mean it should include non-notable media appearances simply because they happen to exist. The "honors" listed should be inherently notable notable. (BTW, I bet he was also mentioned on The Family Guy or The Simpsons, but that's not worth mentioning either, IMNSHO.) How about a paragraph on screen/dramatic adaptations of London's work? Awards named in his honor? Notable authors who have mentioned him as inspirational? These things would all exist in reliable sources. In short, an appearance on Star Trek does not attest to London's notability, nor his legacy. I suggest it be removed, and the section expanded with an encyclopedia in mind. María (habla conmigo) 18:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
If no one objects to my improving this section with the above encyclopedic-points in mind, I'll be happy to do so. I see a few other MOS-related issues to take care of, as well. María (habla conmigo) 12:33, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Please do so, Yllosubmarine.
I think any claim that London is more or less notable because of a brief cameo on a television show is tantamount to a claim that books are no longer important to humanity, and have been surpassed by TV—a sad situation to consider, especially from a couple of people who have chosen to create and expand an encyclopedia. London is notable for his books, and greatly so. TV trivia doesn't help him. Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Don't be absurd; an appearance by an actor playing the role of Jack is *not* notable or significant; it's trivial. Buck 21:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Nonsence. A pop culture appearance is both notable and interesting and should be included. And for your info computers and the web HAVE overtaken books. Slx03 (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Without getting into intergenerational debates... On the one hand, Jack London himself belonged to pop culture in his day, both as writer and as celebrity. He was a Stephen King, not a Henry James. And he made his splash in mass market magazines, which were a new media of his day. So, it would be inappropriate to be snooty about the pop culture and new media of ours. On the other hand... there needs to be a good citation to a reliable source, and Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources and cannot be used as citations in other Wikipedia articles. And I looked for, but could not find, any citation in Time's Arrow (Star Trek: The Next Generation) backing up the statement that Jack London appeared as a character in that episode. If there had been one, it could be copied here, but I don't see one. I would argue that it shouldn't go into this article without proper citation.

Generally speaking, that's the issue with "popular culture" sections--they attract drive-by additions of unverified content.

If someone wants to put it in with proper citation, I'd personally support its inclusion, notable or no. If you like, Jack London doesn't appear very often as a character in popular fiction--there have been a couple of novels about a fictional or fictionalized Jack London--and that makes them mildly notable because they are rare. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Boimre (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

From BOIMRE

CITATION in Star Trek, The Next Generation: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Jack_London"

September 4, 2014

Boimre (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Psst! http://books.google.com/books?id=Ah1k_EsaOHsC&pg=PA214&dq=%22jack+london%22+%22the+next+generation%22+%22star+trek%22+%22time's+arrow%22&hl=en&ei=GJHBTuSYIIPY0QGPqJD3BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=14&ved=0CHMQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q&f=false Dpbsmith (talk) 22:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Citations Needed[edit]

Would these do ?

"An Odyssey of the North"

http://www.theatlantic.com/ideastour/contributors/london.html

"Love of Life"

http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/LoveLife/

Dgharmon (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 May 2012[edit]

Add under mother Flora Wellman: born August 17, 1843 in Massillon, Ohio

Babslm (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Please provide a source, and we can go ahead and add it. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I've closed the request for now, please re-open it when you provide the source. Monty845 05:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on September 6, 2013[edit]

Remove redundant in from "in in the same simple spot"

Done.Wzrd1 (talk) 10:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Sailor on Horseback (1938)[edit]

The 1938 book Sailor on Horseback by Irving Stone is a rather popular and detailed biography of J.L. I wonder why it is not listed on the main page. Thanks. NT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.175.222 (talk) 02:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC) (" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.59.200 (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding this. I think probably it should be added when someone gets around to improving this page. Please feel free to edit the page and add it yourself - whereever you think it should go. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:51, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Racial views[edit]

There is a date error here--"Presented as a historical essay narrating events between 1976 and 1987, the story describes..." should be 1876 and 1887, right? E. Kramer 12/24/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.38.11.226 (talk) 04:48, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

No, the story described is a work of speculative fiction--a "future history". You can read the story here.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Racial Views (1)[edit]

Jack London is such a racist person D: Davidkim2106 (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

It has an error referencing 1976, intended to be 1876, et seq.

Kdmoss (talk) 16:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Not an error. From the very first sentence in the citation: "It was in the year 1976 that the trouble between the world and China reached its culmination.:Wzrd1 (talk) 11:01, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
I see no evidence from this article that London had any racially-based views. His views on China echo many current concerns about the same nation, and are related to the country's size, culture and political history. This is not the same thing as race. It is a political, economic and/or cultural view.76.105.136.241 (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Forget that last comment. It seems like London himself was pretty confused about the issue.76.105.136.241 (talk) 21:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

In the Family section[edit]

Yes, London was upset learning about his father. But the resemblance was uncanny and he decided that Chaney was his father. He felt Chaney was cruel in not admitting he was his father. Source: Jack London A Life. Alex Kershaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrWellread (talkcontribs) 19:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Bipolar disorder[edit]

Someone wants to restore an uncited category that would group London as having Bipolar disorder. A citation will be required. It is likely a fringe theory since he was never diagnosed with that in life. In any event, it is most certainly undue weight.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:04, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

How can I cite it if it's a category? Someone doesn't seem willing to check the List of people with bipolar disorder article JakeDowell (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
If it isn't in this article, it doesn't count. The onus is on you to cite such a claim. Bring it here to this talk page. Further, it looks like a hokey fringe theory that you should not advance without greater academic acceptance.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:17, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The source states no such thing. They state is pure speculation.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 03:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
The article states in its introduction there are speculated cases prior to the 19th century, so you should remove that sentence too or add the others back. JakeDowell (talk) 03:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Are you discussing this article? I've started a different thread for that list. What is alarming is that you have used the fact that you know that list is based on speculation and argued for inclusion here as if it were a fact.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 04:00, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
I didn't realize the source was speculative to London having the illness. JakeDowell (talk) 04:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Animal Activism[edit]

London witnessed animal cruelty in the training of circus animals and his subsequent novels Jerry of the Islands and Michael, Brother of Jerry included a foreword entreating the public to become more informed about this practice.[1] In 1918, the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the American Humane Education Society teamed up to create the Jack London Club which sought to inform the public about cruelty to circus animals and encourage them to protest this establishment. [2] Support from Club members led to a temporary cessation of trained animal acts at Ringling-Barnum and Bailey in 1925. [3]

Disclosure[edit]

As an editor of this article, I should mention genealogical research indicates the subject was my fourth cousin, thrice removed.Thewellman (talk) 17:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Typo needs fixing, 01/21/14[edit]

The first usage of "Goliah" is correct, but the second mention calls the short story "Goliath," which I'm assuming is incorrect. Can a logged-in user fix this, please? I am trying to log in after years, so it may be a while until I find my old account... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.166.226 (talk) 16:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noting. Fixed it! Victoria (tk) 16:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Bibliography: short stories[edit]

I am currently reading "The Collected Jack London" published by Dorset Press (ISBN 0-88029-596-1) I came across a short story that I do not see listed on the main page under section 13:7. It's called Siwash. Am I miss understanding how they are organized? It's hard to find a truly comprehensive list anywhere. It was published in God of his fathers:Tales of the Klondyke 1/1/1906. I am new to Wikipedia and began learning about Jack and his work just months ago so I apologize if my question is of poor backing. Thanks.

Dmc10286 (talk) 09:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Should Belmont laundry be mentioned?[edit]

Prior to his departure to Klondike he spent some time working in the laundry of the Belmont Military Academy. I will try to uplad the picture of the plate.

The plate telling that Jack London spent theSpring of 1897 working in the Belmont Military Academy laundry

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.22.51 (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Unless it can be directly linked with some significant event in London's life I don't think it is paticulary notable. London did a good deal of travelling around and worked in a lot of places. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:41, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request - Poetry of Jack London[edit]

Poetry...

I would like permission to edit the poetry list because it is not complete. It has errors and omissions.

The book that I published in 2007 The Complete Poetry of Jack London edited by Daniel J Wichlan, [I would like to add to the references] is the definitive collection of all verified and attributed poetry of Jack London. I am in the final stages of updating the book and adding another new poem verified and attributed to Jack London, which is of course not in your list.

As you can see from my notes on your list, there are numerous mistakes:

Poetry list:

A Heart (19) — [Written 1899—also should be second not first in the alphabetical list—submitted for publication 5 times that year]; Abalone Song (1913) — [Written in 1905—Should be first in the list—first published in 1913]; And Some Night (1914)—[No record of date written]; A Passionate Author to His Love (1902) — [NEW POEM—written in 1903—published under the name "puck" in 1904]; Ballade Of The False Lover (1914)—[Written in 1898—London also refers to this poem as "He Kissed and Rode Away."]; Cupid’s Deal (1913)—[Written in 1898]; Daybreak (1901)—[Written 1897—first published in 1901]; Effusion (1901)—[Written in 1897, first published in 1911]; George Sterling (1913)—[no record of date written]; Gold (1915)—[Written in 1897]; He Chortled With Glee (1899)—[First published in 1899]; He Never Tried Again (1912)—[Written in 1898 - in fact submitted for publication 2 times that year]; His Trip To Hades (1913)—[Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 8 times that year]; Homeland (1914)—[No record of date written]; Hors De Saison (1913)—[Written 1897 - in fact submitted for publication 4 times that year]; If I Were God (1899) [First published in 1899]; In A Year (1901)—[Written in 1900]; In And Out (1911) — [no evidence of this written by Jack London - should be omitted]; Je Rls En Espoir (1914) —[Written in 1897... Spelling mistake, should be "Je Vis En Espoir"]; Memory (1913) — [Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 5 times that year]; Moods (1913)—[Written in 1898]; My Confession (1912)—[Written in 1897]; My Little Palmist (1914)—[Written in 1898]; Of Man Of The Future (1915)—[Written in 1915—first published in 1959 in Russian]; Oh You Everybody's Girl (19)—[Written prior to 1915]; On The Face Of The Earth You Are The One (1915)—[Written prior to 1915 but published in that year]; Rainbows End (1914)— [Witten in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 4 times that year]; Republican Rallying Song (1916)—[Written 1898]; Sonnet (1901)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1901]; The Gift Of God (1905)—[Written 1899—submitted for publication 7 times that year]; The Klondyker’s Dream (1914)—[Witten in 1898]; The Lover’s Liturgy (1913)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1901]; The Mammon Worshippers (1911)—[Written in 1897—remarkable first published in 1978]; The Republican Battle-Hymn (1905)—[Written in 1898—original title without the "The" at the beginning]; The Return Of Ulysses (1915) — [full title: "Return of Ulysses—A Modern Version"]—[Written in 1899—in fact published 6 times that year.]; The Sea Sprite And The Shooting Star (1916)—[Written in 1899—First published in1932—original title with the "The" at the beginning]; The Socialist’s Dream (1912)—[Written in 1897]; The Song Of The Flames (1903)—[Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 5 times that year]; The Way Of War (1906)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1906]; The Worker And The Tramp (1911)—[Written in 1898—first published in 1901]; Tick! Tick! Tick! (1915)—[Probably written before 1915]; Too Late (1912)—[No record of date written];

  • Weasel Thieves (1913) — [no evidence of this written by Jack London - should be omitted];

When All The World Shouted My Name (1905)—[No record of date written];

  • Where He Came In (1899) — [NEW POEM - Missing from your list!];
  • Where The Rainbow Fell (1902) — [no evidence of this written by Jack London - should be omitted];

Your Kiss (1914)—[No record of date written];

Other matters:

-"The Acorn Planter" is a play in verse, which should be referenced as such.

Michael Linnard mikelinnard@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtree5577 (talkcontribs) 17:39, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 23:37, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


@Michael Linnard: you can request that the edits you list be done by another editor (any auto-confirmed editor or confirmed editor). I would expect than any editor that accepted this task might use the book you published, as well as other Jack London references. That would accomplish your aims. I don't think removing protection from [[Jack London|this article} is what you had in mind. The bar for editing this semi-protected article is pretty low; an editor becomes autoconfirmed based on
  • registering a Wikipedia account
  • the account must be at least four days old (may vary with circumstance)
  • the user must have made at least ten edits (may vary with circumstance).
If you wish to make this minimal contribution to building Wikipedia, then you can make the edits. Of course, the edits you make in achieving autoconfirmed status must be made to articles that are not under semi-protection. I hope you will enjoy contributing to Wikipedia, and visit here often.
In addition, because of the reliable source requirement for Wikipedia articles, you can cite the current edition of The Complete Poetry of Jack London, but not the material that has not yet been published. - Neonorange (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit requested - add link to other wikipedia site[edit]

London's autobiographical book "The Road" has its own wikipedia page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_%28Jack_London%29 It would be nice to add a link.211.124.204.68 (talk) 23:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
    • ^ Beers, Diane L. (2006). For the Prevention of Cruelty: The History and Legacy of Animal Rights Activism in the United States. Athens: Swallow Press/Ohio University Press. pp. 105–106. ISBN 0804010870. 
    • ^ Beers, Diane L. (2006). For the Prevention of Cruelty: The History and Legacy of Animal Rights Activism in the United States. Athens: Swallow Press/Ohio University Press. pp. 106–107. ISBN 0804010870. 
    • ^ Beers, Diane L. (2006). For the Prevention of Cruelty: The History and Legacy of Animal Rights Activism in the United States. Athens: Swallow Press/Ohio University Press. p. 107. ISBN 0804010870.