Talk:Jack Warner (football executive)

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What's the rationale for implying that he would not support a U.S. bid to host?[edit]

Referring to this text: "and that he would also "battle to bring...the tournament to his region" where Mexico and the USA last hosted the finals (in 1986 and 1994 respectively) effectively leaving only a combined Caribbean bid or Canada as potential hosts..."

I know that the U.S. is the most recent host from the region, but I would assume that Warner would support another U.S. bid considering that a) the infrastructure will be in place and b) there's a ton of money to be made, and the region would presumably get a cut of it. (I will refrain from speculating about any possible personal conditions for such support...) --Mr Wednesday 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does speculation on the potential of various CONCACAF nations hosting the World Cup in 2018 belong in the Jack Warner article?--SaskatchewanSenator 06:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would not have thought so. Warner's a "colourful" character who I don't like, but on the 2018 issue he's just backing his region as you'd expect any president to do - if the rotation of host confederations continues then it'll be CONCACAF's turn in 2018. Realistically, the only countries in CONCACAF who have the infrastructure to host a 32-nation World Cup are Mexico and the U.S. (maybe Canada if they have enough suitable stadiums), and after the Korea-Japan experience FIFA aren't going to back any joint bids in the future. There's nothing in the rules that requires all the other countries in a confederation to host the WC before it can come back to a previous host, it's all a matter of infrastructure these days, witness CONMEBOL agreeing that only Brazil had the infrastructure to host 2014. -- Arwel (talk) 12:50, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heheh, That sly old,... .[edit]

There are several reasons why "Jack in the Box" wants to bring the competition to the Americas The first reason being that the U.S. is a cash cow. The U.S. is willing to spend huge amount of money in football and in FIFA.(This is the most important!. Joao Havelange in the 60's wanted this to happen. The second reason is (and I make no apologies for saying this,...) they are crooks. I have no doubt that most of the allegations of the British journalists are true. Jack was in the habit of doing that when he was a supporter of the PNM ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ishango (talk • contribs) 23:06, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

not referred to as 'Austin "Jack" Warner'...[edit]

PeeJay2K3 stated that Warner "not referred to as 'Austin "Jack" Warner', only 'Austin Warner' or 'Jack Warner'". This is not in keeping with my experience, and a quick Google check suggests that "Austin 'Jack' Warner" -wikipedia is used about 3 times as often as "Jack Warner" + football -wikipedia. Guettarda (talk) 14:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never in my experience have I seen this gentleman referred to as 'Austin "Jack" Warner', and even if he was, I can only imagine it would be to establish the fact that he goes by a nickname more than he goes by his birth name. – PeeJay 16:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so you're saying you aren't familiar with the topic. Then I would recommend familarising yourself with the topic. Over the last 20 years or so I have usually seen him referred to as "Austin 'Jack' Warner" in formal settings. I would recommend posting a move request. (See WP:RM) Guettarda (talk) 03:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is merit to PeeJay's idea to move the article to 'Jack Warner'. It looks like all of the article's references use Jack Warner. A move request is the way to go.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 17:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Failed English bid for 2018 World Cup[edit]

The cited article, in the Cite error: The <ref> tag has too many names (see the help page)., states that another newspaper, The Independent from the UK, claims that Warner promised to deliver to England the three CONCACAF votes. This is not sufficient to make the statements that you are making.

The Observer only mentions a writer, Sam Wallace, who has written a few articles on the Jack Warner and the England bid, none of which make that claim that Warner will deliver CONCACAF votes for some sort of quid pro quo[1][2]. Wallace states that Warner never made any public promises to England, he also states that Warner never asked England to vote for the USA in 2022 in exchange for votes on 2018. blakdogg (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are right that it is better to use the original articles from the Independent as sources. The second article [1] seems to have the most detail on Warner's actions. The last paragraph of the England World Cup bid section should be revised to reflect what is found in reliable sources.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone update this, it seems Jack Warner did all what Observer and the Independent said, and even more, in short Jack Warner is a crook and lier, and would sell his own mother if he could make a quick buck, fifa corruption scandal that just erupted, and who is at the center of all this, who else than our old friend Jack Warner. Someone should update all this, i can't be bothered, wikipedia ain't my thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.64.36 (talk) 02:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/warner-gives-cameron-a-lesson-in-the-brutal-realities-of-fifa-politics-2149651.html was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/how-englands-bid-unravelled-in-24-hours-of-doubledealing-2150855.html was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Bias in Football Section[edit]

Jack Warner is a FIFA Vice President, President of CONCACAF and a former Secretary/Treasurer of the TTFF. From this section, I would assume that Mr. Warner's career began in 2004, as there is no mention of his work on the TTFF or any other footballing organisation prior to 2006. This article fails to mention that Warner was CONCACAF President when the USA held the 1994 World Cup and fails to examine any role he may or may not have had in this somewhat historic event. Nor does it mention CONCACAF's failure to win another World Cup since he was elected its President. It does not mention any programs or initiative that were affected by his now 20 year reign as President. Likewise, it does not examine Warner's role as a special advisor to the TTFF, a situation that is not common at most FAs. Instead it lists anecdotes from British media, including a particularly trifling exchange with Roy Keane. blakdogg (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your concern seems to be about what is missing from the article. If notable material is missing from the article, please add it. The article does mention his role as special advisor to the TTFF. Do you have any concerns about the neutrality of material that is currently in the article?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, my concern is also about what is present. Case in point, the wikipedia article states "... Jack Warner asked SFA President John McBeth for the cheque for the game to be made out to him personally and not the FA of Trinidad and Tobago.", while the supposed source article states "Former chairman of the Scottish FA, John McBeth, said top Fifa executive Jack Warner asked him to make the match fee cheque payable to him personally." I think this is a typical example of the content of this article, but unlike many this is an arguably notable incident. With respect to the missing content, I have not been yet able to find appropriate source material. blakdogg (talk) 19:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your concern with the John McBeth material. Are you questioning the reliability of the source(s)?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, bit more background to Warner. Sources are limited - FIFA and his own biosite - but its the dates and positions that I have used not the conflicting position re the ticket sourcing. Still needs more work! Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good stuff! One thing to improve would be a link or explanation of what the Central Football Association and Central St. George Football Association are.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With respect to McBeth, I do question the source. The allegations came after McBeth lost his seat, with Warner lobbying against him and calling him a bigot. But I am cool with "McBeth said, Warner did" instead of the current "Warner did" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakdogg (talk • contribs) 21:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean about the way it was worded.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 04:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed POV markers, I assume since I placed them it is my responsibility to remove them. If I am wrong please revert. The article mentions his career prior to 200X, and it makes it clear that some of these controversies were only alleged. I still think it can be improved, but it is hard to find unbiased information about Warner blakdogg (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Warner's real estate holdings[edit]

There is too much detail about his real estate holdings. He is not known for his real estate. Maybe it could be summed up in a single sentence? The last sentence of that paragraph seems to violate WP:SYN.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 09:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In 2000, Warner estimated his net worth at TT$50 million (TT$6.3 = U$1), and as a politician he and his supporters exclaim his entrepreneurial spirit and background. Given his wealth and the ethical cloud around him, I think it is prudent to explain where his money came from. Also, some of his properties are used by TTFA and CONCACAF, while others support football in Trinidad. I see your point, I'll change the last line. blakdogg (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is the implication that TTFA and CONCACAF are using Warner's properties because of his position?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 19:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Warner mortgaged his house to get a loan for the TTFA, I think he is committed to the cause. The TTFF (renamed) and CONCACAF's Trinidad offices are in Warner facilities because he is Jack Warner. I don't think he is benefiting financially from that arrangement, but I do think it noteworthy. The same pattern is apparent with his political career. Quite a few of his rallies were held on his properties. blakdogg (talk) 01:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where Warner attended primary and secondary school[edit]

Has any reliable source mentioned where Warner attended primary and secondary school? If not, it should not be in the article.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"nortorious" (sp) and "implicated"[edit]

Can someone do something about the third sentence of the second paragraph? A lot of people will be reading this article at the moment, and this sentence contains misspellings and biased phrasing.

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  • From Warner Bros.: Thomas 1990, p. 226
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