Talk:James Holborne of Menstrie

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Dating of Holbourne’s career[edit]

This article has some very strange construction. Following a description of Sir John's activities during the years 1650-'51 culminating in his unimpressive role at the Battle of Inverkeithing (July 20, 1650) it reverts to the previous year and Holbourne's travels while defeating Montrose's second campaign. Hard to follow!

I studied the battle in some depth in 1977-'78, and Holbourne's role has been criticized, especially in MacLean-friendly sources. Some secondary works claim he fled before the battle, which is unlikely given the English descriptions of the initial fighting. Following the battle he was accused of some kind of failure or misdeeds ("by all honest men was thought to have played the traitor") and apparently charged ("bot he was formally cleared at Stirling thereafter"). If all this happened so quickly he must have had a case. However, he is said to have "quait his charge in the armey, for the haill armey exclaimed against him." The grievous losses of Clan MacLean (of 800 said to have fought, only 35 returned home) help to explain antipathy towards a man accused of not doing his part.

That said, I'm mostly concerned with the confusing presentation.

How can this article be modified?

Sources are in my M.Litt. thesis of 1978 ("South-West Fife and the Scottish Revolution; the Presbytery of Dunfermline, 1633-1652" - University of Edinburgh, 1978), Chapter 7, page 226, specifically notes #143 and #144.

Amalgamated Ben (talk) 13:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]