Talk:James IV of Scotland

Howard Dean

Always late but worth the wait. If you check the Howard Dean article you will find a link to his family tree that traces back to James IV.

I am slightly suspicious of this unsourced addition by an anonymous user that Howard Dean is descended from James IV. It is not wildly implausible, he must have hundreds of descendants, but is trivia like this encyclopedic? The user might have said which of his children Dean was descended from. I propose to revert if we do not get a reply in a reasonable time. PatGallacher 21:36, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)

James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray is attributed to be the illegitimate son of James IV AND James V in the respective Wikipedia articles. It is far more likely that he was the grandson of James IV, not his son. Is a correction of James IV warranted? (Last sentence of the article as it stands on 5.20.05) --Dog Whisperer 03:23, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray, Regent of Scotland, was the illegitimate son of James V, King of Scotland, by Margaret Erskine. - Nunh-huh 03:28, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

People are getting confused. James IV and James V both had illegitimate sons called James Stewart, who were both Earl of Moray. This was already explained in the article James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray (1501 creation). Read the relevant articles properly before changing things. PatGallacher 13:45, 2005 May 21 (UTC)

I didn't change a thing. I asked if a change was warranted. Thank you very much for the explanation about the duplication of names. I appreciate it. However, when the James V page says "James Stewart, 1st Earl of Moray...." one might be forgiven for assuming that he actually WAS the first. --Dog Whisperer 20:07, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Pat Gallacher: In response to your message (which I have found no way of responding to privately), I would only remind you that I simply asked a question on the talk page (as you suggest), and also did not change anything on either James IV or James V. Being now twice reminded to discuss on the talk page before changing anything is contrary to both facts. I am very much a student, not an authority, of this period of history, and I thank you once again for your assistance. --Dog Whisperer 19:07, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

more info

James IV and V were named Stewart. But James VI was named Stuart. Is this an error, or did he change the spelling of his family name?

It was changed by Mary Queen of Scots during her time in France, as the French did not have the letter "w". PatGallacher 13:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

When war broke out between England and France as a result of the Italian Wars, James found himself in a difficult position.

Why? Widsith 22:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Because he'd signed the Treaty of Perpetual Peace (1502) with England when he married Margaret Tudor, but already had an alliance with France, the so-called Auld Alliance. Whatever he did, he couldn't please everyone. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:44, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

But there is no mention of any alliance with France in the article. Widsith 08:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a mix up with which king performed early language acquisition experiment. Think is should be James IV, but it is actually mentioned on the James V page. KC1987 (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Excommunication

The article mentions that there were problems with his burial because he had been excommunicated, but this is not explained, or even mentioned, anywhere else in the article. Tad Lincoln (talk) 03:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Celice

The story of the iron chain is doubtful, and Pitscottie writing 60 years after calls it a 'girth of iron' and later mentions it as possible identifier of the king's body as a 'belt of iron.' So I'm surprised to see it described as a 'celice', and though it was thought of as a penitential accessory, there is no suggestion that it more than cumbersome and uncomfortable. Unoquha (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Mistresses

There could be an element of doubt creeping in about his mistresses. As well as his three better-established mistresses, he had a daughter by one of the Buchan family, but it's not clear which. Anyone clarify? PatGallacher (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Scots vs Scotland

Since his title was King of Scots, shouldn't the article be named James IV of Scots? —JadziaLover ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:23, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Not necessarily, see WP:NCROY. PatGallacher (talk) 19:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain

I don't see why there is a problem with GB in the intro, as KJIV certainly was the last monarch from this island to die in battle. The last English King to do so being Richard III. Great Britain isn't a political name, it is a topographical one, no? Brendandh (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I was going to put in British Isles rather than GB, but then Shane O'Neill has that dubious honour! Brendandh (talk) 16:01, 24 August 2011 (UTC)