Talk:James I of Scotland

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Good article James I of Scotland has been listed as one of the History good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
March 5, 2012 Good article nominee Listed

Ransom 1420 - Return 1424[edit]

is there any specially reason why he stayed 4 years in England even if the Ransom was payed? I think it would be a good idea telling this. -- Hartmann Schedel Prost 12:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyrighted Image[edit]

The photo previously used (Portrait of King James I & VI.jpg ) (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:King_James_I_of_Scotland.jpg) is copyrighted and can't be used on Wikipedia. It should not have been uploaded. Just because something is expired does not mean that the photographer can't claim copyright.

Here's info I got from the owner:


While the painting is out of copyright the National Galleries of Scotland have copyright of this photography. Therefore all of the images on the NGS website are in copyright. If you wish to use any on your site please apply by completing a returning the attached application forms. I have also attached a list of fees and our terms and conditions.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best wishes,

Phil

Philip Hunt Photography & Licensing Assistant National Galleries of Scotland

Scottish National Gallery of Modern Art 75 Belford Road Edinburgh EH4 3DR T: + 44 0131 624 6258 F: + 44 0131 623 7135 E: phunt@nationalgalleries.org www.nationalgalleries.org

The National Galleries of Scotland Collection is available to view online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam00 (talkcontribs) 22:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Nominee for GA[edit]

Almost 3 weeks ago, I nominated this article for GA quality, and it has yet to reach reviews to see if it deserves GA status. Is there anyone who would like to review this? I personally didn't work on this article, but felt that it deserved critique from the best editors Wikipedia could assemble. Please contact me as soon as you can, and thanks for readingLeftAire (talk) 15:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:James I of Scotland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 13:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I am taking on this GA review and welcome the input of others. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:38, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct. I find some of the sentences excessively long and convoluted and somewhat lacking in punctuation. See examples below. Sentence structure is now improved.
1b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Article is well referenced
2b. it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines.
2c. it contains no original research. Not as far as I can see
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each. Not a problem in this article.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. The article is stable with no edit wars.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:
6a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content. The copyright status of the images is satisfactory.
6b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. The images are suitable and make the text more accessible. The main portrait is improved by being less dark.
7. Overall assessment. An important and thorough article on the history of Scotland.

Initial comments[edit]

In general, the article is well written with a sensible structure. However I think that some of the sentences are excessively long and complex and lack internal punctuation, particularly commas. See the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I think some of these sentences would be better split into shorter ones. Here are some examples but there are many other similar sentence structures:

  • "The Albany and Douglas affinity received a severe set-back in September 1402 when their large army was defeated by the English at Homildon and numerous prominent nobles and adherents were captured including Douglas himself, Albany's son Murdoch, and the earls of Moray, Angus and Orkney (Orkney was quickly ransomed)." (Prince and Steward of Scotland #1)
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • "At his coronation parliament the king--probably with the intent of building loyalty to the crown among the political community--knighted 18 prominent nobles including Albany's son Alexander Stewart." (Personal rule: First acts #1}
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • "The king and his queen accompanied by an escort of English and Scottish nobles then proceeded to Melrose Abbey arriving on 5 April where he met Albany to receive the governor's seal of office." (King in captivity #3)
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • "An assize of seven earls and fourteen lesser nobles heard the evidence that linked the prisoners to the rebellion in the Lennox—the four men were condemned, Walter on 24 May and the others on 25 May and immediately beheaded in 'front of the castle'." (Personal rule: Ruthless and acquisitive #2)
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Some other clunky sentences also corrected. Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Some other points:

  • I wondered whether the section heading "Ruthless and acquisitive" was appropriate. These are two adjectives and seem out of place to me.
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • The first image, the portrait of James I, is rather dark. Would it be possible to lighten it up a bit? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Done Bill Reid | (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Cwmhiraeth, Thanks for taking this on. Just back to UK today and still jet-lagged but will get on to this tomorrow. Rgds, --Bill Reid | (talk) 17:12, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

@ 76.115.116.50[edit]

I am reverting you for the last time before I take this to the Admin noticeboard.

Answering your edit summery: 1. I did not write that he WAS most of the time at the English court & 2. As I said before, produce a source to back up your misinformed opinions regarding his enforced attendance with Henry V's forces; nowhere is it said that he "loved Henry V" and source your assertion that he was detained at the Tower of London for almost 10 years.--Bill Reid | (talk) 19:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)