Talk:James T. Kirk

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Former good article nominee James T. Kirk was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

First appearance of James T. Kirk[edit]

I see that this has been disputed before, but no discussion seems to have taken place. Could we try to start one now? I was bold in making the change because I assumed that this was just carelessness on someone's part (before I looked through the edit history), but perhaps I was wrong. I am intrigued by the idea that the "first appear[ance]" of a television character can be anything other than the first occasion on which that character was seen in a television broadcast. Was Captain Pike's first appearance in "The Cage" (broadcast in 1988!), rather than in "The Menagerie" (1967)? Alfrew (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

"First Appearance" would be the first instance that the character was publicly introduced. Not when he was intended to be publicly introduced, nor in his fictional chronological first appearance. It wouldn't matter that Pike, or Kirk for that matter, were intended to first appear in The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before, respectively. They were actually introduced to the public in the The Menagerie (Pike) and The Man Trap (Kirk). That's what the article should reflect ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation[edit]

When using quotation marks, sentence-ending punctuation should be placed inside the quotes rather than outside. Here is an example of "the correct way." This should also be observed when "using a comma," or any other form of punctuation in mid-sentence.

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Wikipedia follows a different manual of style regarding punctuation which places sentence punctuation outside the quote marks. This is to clarify that the punctuation mark itself is or is not part of what's being quoted. --EEMIV (talk) 10:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


Birthdate[edit]

Hey.

Something needs to be be said in the article (or corrected) because actually the text says James T Kirk will be born in 2233, but later shows a pict of this "future birthplace" and an other year (2228) is written by the fans on it! What is the good year? Explanation or notes on this incoherence is required (i think, don't you?). I don't know enough Star Trek to tell the answer or to comment it myself. DC2en (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

All data points to Kirk being born March 22, 2233. I am unaware of the history behind the plaque in Riverside or why they chose that date to put on the plaque. Akuvar (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, I wanted confirmation before edit, since I'm not a real trekkie. But now I added a comment in the picture of this plaque. This is important to notice this difference (and the fact they are auto proclaimed birthplace — it's not from the series)... I think now it's more honest. Or at least coherent. DC2en (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

middle name problem[edit]

I know everyone thinks Kirks middle name is Tiberius, thus his middle initial is T. However, if you watch WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE, and you look at the gravestone Mitchell has made for Kirk, it says "JAMES R. KIRK" on it. "R" ... not "T" ... wonder why? AbbythecatAbbythecat (talk) 23:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The real reason boils down to making the prop without knowing or checking the "real" answer. In-universe, I think there have been a few wonky retcon ideas proposed. My favorite comes from one of the Q-centric novels which suggests Where No Man happened in an alternate timeline. Regardless, this is an utterly trivial detail outside the appropriate scope of this article; this time of tiny detail is more aptly covered at e.g. Memory Alpha. --EEMIV (talk) 00:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nyota Uhura which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)