Talk:James T. Kirk

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Former good article nominee James T. Kirk was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Intro needs work[edit]

I think it peculiar that the intro to this article doesn't say much about James Kirk, just who played the character. The article is about the character, not the actors who portrayed him. I think the intro needs serious work. Akuvar (talk) 16:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted per WP:LEAD and per WP:WAF. The lead is supposed to summarize the article, which is not primarily about James Kirk, due to the influence of WP:WAF. We care more about how the real world perceived and received Kirk than we do Kirk himself. --Izno (talk) 22:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
No, I don't want to describe him as a real person, perhaps I was doing a little too much of that. But this intro is not compliant with WP:LEAD in that it gives no synopsis of Kirk or the article, as my first comment mentions it speaks 85% as to what actors played kirk over the years. This is certainly not a synopsis of kirk or what you will find in reading the whole article. As you said, we need a summary here. Akuvar (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Sure. --Izno (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree that a summary of the character's in-universe persona & history would be appropriate. I'll take a whack at it in a bit. --EEMIV (talk) 16:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Looks good. --Izno (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
Very nice EEMIV. I'm still not taken with the whole section of what actors portrayed the character as I don't see how that helps someone coming to this page looking to find out who this character Captain Kirk is. I have done some jumping around to other star trek characters and see that it is a popular trend to say what actors portrayed a character and what shows/movies the character was seen in. But I think this is a bad trend because it gives no synopsis of who the character was or what the article is about. Akuvar (talk) 02:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Reverted edits made Jan 30, 2013[edit]

I chose to undo the reversion by EEMIV because I was about to correct my own errors in formatting when the reversion forestalled me. I apologize for inadvertently trampling all over the format guidelines for ITALICS. I think I have corrected all the formatting errors, but I would appreciate your continued vigilance on this matter. The text changes I made can, of course, be debated... Alfrew (talk) 02:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the kneejerk revert -- I saw a bunch of basic formatting errors and made the assumption this was just another "Hey, I edit at Memory Alpha; let me come drop some stuff over here, too" set of changes. Your content edits are nice tweaks. Thank you, too, for addressing the MOS/WAF stuff. --EEMIV (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate your comments, EEMIV. I hope my new section interests you (and that my humorous tone doesn't sound like sarcasm). Alfrew (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

First appearance of James T. Kirk[edit]

I see that this has been disputed before, but no discussion seems to have taken place. Could we try to start one now? I was bold in making the change because I assumed that this was just carelessness on someone's part (before I looked through the edit history), but perhaps I was wrong. I am intrigued by the idea that the "first appear[ance]" of a television character can be anything other than the first occasion on which that character was seen in a television broadcast. Was Captain Pike's first appearance in "The Cage" (broadcast in 1988!), rather than in "The Menagerie" (1967)? Alfrew (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

"First Appearance" would be the first instance that the character was publicly introduced. Not when he was intended to be publicly introduced, nor in his fictional chronological first appearance. It wouldn't matter that Pike, or Kirk for that matter, were intended to first appear in The Cage and Where No Man Has Gone Before, respectively. They were actually introduced to the public in the The Menagerie (Pike) and The Man Trap (Kirk). That's what the article should reflect ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation[edit]

When using quotation marks, sentence-ending punctuation should be placed inside the quotes rather than outside. Here is an example of "the correct way." This should also be observed when "using a comma," or any other form of punctuation in mid-sentence.

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Wikipedia follows a different manual of style regarding punctuation which places sentence punctuation outside the quote marks. This is to clarify that the punctuation mark itself is or is not part of what's being quoted. --EEMIV (talk) 10:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


Birthdate[edit]

Hey.

Something needs to be be said in the article (or corrected) because actually the text says James T Kirk will be born in 2233, but later shows a pict of this "future birthplace" and an other year (2228) is written by the fans on it! What is the good year? Explanation or notes on this incoherence is required (i think, don't you?). I don't know enough Star Trek to tell the answer or to comment it myself. DC2en (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

All data points to Kirk being born March 22, 2233. I am unaware of the history behind the plaque in Riverside or why they chose that date to put on the plaque. Akuvar (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, I wanted confirmation before edit, since I'm not a real trekkie. But now I added a comment in the picture of this plaque. This is important to notice this difference (and the fact they are auto proclaimed birthplace — it's not from the series)... I think now it's more honest. Or at least coherent. DC2en (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2013 (UTC)