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Article seems self promoting
It seems that this article mostly serves to promote the person who it is about. Does this man need a quotes page when several famous philosophers do not? Do you see where I am going with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 11:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
does he have a girlfriend / wife? I want to know because it seems like a lot of these rich successful guys in silicon valley don't.
- He runs a night club, of course he does.
- He is gay. He has a long time boyfriend. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 00:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
where did he go to college? CMU?
- According to Peter Norvig's essay "Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years", he only has a high school degree.
In his debt
Jamie is a outstanding programmer. We are all in debt of his work, at least in pushing Netscape to "open" his browser. Yes, Netscape did it too late, but did it because of at least jwz. What about current Internet if it was dominated only by Microsoft Internet Explorer ? --Nbrouard 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
No-brainer. It's a one-line stub. Chris Cunningham 13:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
do you, wikipedia community, consider ok to add here another quote attributed to Zawinski: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 August 2007
- Yes. Gotta add this. It's the best way and original way of expressing this frequently observed fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
- "Free as in speech, not as in beer" -- attr. RMS 14:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Add that his homepage is cool
Do add a note that his homepage is a work of art: a hex dump theme. I tried but
(Reverted good faith edits by Jidanni; Perhaps, but we aren't supposed to be passing judgement. using TW) (undo)
Jidanni 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NPOV and WP:NOR -- those core policies require that if we make a value statement, we have to have a reliable source to back it up. Wikipedia is WP:NOT a publisher of original thought. Can you find a review of his web site published in a reliable source? ←BenB4 17:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe http://www.google.com/search?q=jwz.com+website+awards OK I give up. You win. Bye. Jidanni 04:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- It's not a case of "winning". The proposed text is obviously completely inappropriate. And come on, is it really of any importance whatsoever that the design of his website's index page is novel? Pure trivia. Chris Cunningham 07:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say that the design of his webpage is trivial, Jamie is aware of what the design of the web page means, as a tribute to his former life as a programmer. Other webpages on his webspace are similarly meaningful (for instance, the post-modern collage style of his page on DadaDodo). While a mention of this might be appropriate, I agree that it isn't necessary, and how it was earlier mentioned was a trivia-esque. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Now You Have Two Problems
Jeffrey Friedl, author of Mastering Regular Expressions, did some digging on this quote. His finding are located in his blog . Among his commentors was Jamie saying he, indeed, repurposed the quote. Is this relevant? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- This deletionist mentality of Wikipedians is really pissing me off. I think it is pretty evident that he is "notable": working on XEmacs and the early Netscape team is no joke. Stop tagging articles as "not notable" if you've got no clue on what it is about. GatesPlusPlus (talk) 09:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- If he is so evidently notable, there will be an easy argument to make in terms of some well-known notability criteria which you could express here or, better still, in the article: for example, by providing references to reliable sources. If not, then not. Richard Pinch (talk) 15:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- While I don't disagree with the tag (as the article doesn't currently assert its notability), I do think that sufficient sources should be findable. Zawinski was the lead developer of the Unix version of Netscape Navigator, author and maintainer of a high-profile software application (xscreensaver) and one of the key narrators of the XEmacs / GNU Emacs schism. Unfortunately WP's coverage of free software personalities still isn't particularly good. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:32, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Ultimate source for mail quote
Preserved from its removal:
Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail.
- Good idea. Go take one with his consent and upload it under a free license so it can be added to the article. Infrogmation (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Dali Clock Controversy
Why does this article not cite the persistent speculation that Zawinski is the actual author of the Dali Clock screensaver? This rumor is legendary in Silicon Valley, so much so that nobody is certain who is really responsible for the software authorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Speculation and rumor are not topics for Wikipedia. Find a reliable source for the information, then go ahead and add it with a citation of that source. RossPatterson (talk) 13:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- According to jwz himself: Dali Clock "is a very old program! The original version was written in 1979 by Steve Capps for the Xerox Alto workstation" -- from the "History" section of http://www.jwz.org/xdaliclock/ --Georgeryp (talk) 03:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
I removed the "chair throwing" claim because it was based on a self-published source, which is contrary to WP:SPS:
- Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.
Since the claim is itself both controversial and rather unreliable (a quote from the source: "most everything I have to say about jwz is hearsay"), WP:BLP applies. GregorB (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)