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Question[edit]

Could we include a section mentioning her mention on the popular NBC show, 30 Rock? 74.73.39.22 (talk) 02:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)Jakebond70

How is that relevant to her biography and career? There is a section that discusses relevant inclusion in songs (specifically songs about her) or portrayals in film. Anything else is trivia and Wikipedia discourages the inclusion of trivia sections. Beyond that, the 30 Rock bit was about vandalizing the page, which has led to incessant problems with vandalism and absolutely no attempt to do anything other than insert the content mentioned on that show. It's not relevant to her career. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

hmm that sounds like portrayal in popular culture, and you won't acknowledge it only because you think it would also incite further vandalism but you explain that as "not notable", that's just kind of double standards and manipulation I've come to expect from other wikipedia editors 67.212.7.249 (talk) 02:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Please contain your bad faith accusations and aspersions. We don't list mentions on televisions shows that aren't specifically about the article subject. 30 Rock is not a show about Janis Joplin. It is not relevant to her career. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:27, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


Haha! wow.... People actually watch 30 Rock? LoveLight8980 (talk) 06:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Big Brother and the Holding Co also toured several midwestern cities before Janis Joplin left. Could someone determine and documentthese performances? I know the played at he Grande Ballroom in Detroit - about 68 0r 69.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.202.214 (talkcontribs)

It's not as if editors here have access to extensive materials that aren't available to anyone else with a library card. You'd probably be just as successful researching and documenting this yourself. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Improvement drive[edit]

An important and popular topic such as Janis Joplin deserves to have a high standard article. I'd be keen on taking part in improving this article and perhaps bringing it up to GA standards. The lead needs developing along lines suggested by WP:Lead, there needs to be more sourcing for some of the statements, a general tidying up - merging legacy and film sections, developing a critical response section, and generally expanding the whole thing. SilkTork *YES! 09:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to work with you, hope you remember me (but then it's been a while). I've tried quite hard to keep this from being a run-away disaster and after the 30 Rock "let's vandalize Janis Joplin's article on Wikipedia" frenzy died down, it might be possible to work on it without massive interference from the vandalizing public. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Karyn Kupcinet!
Good to have you on board Wildhartlivie! I have a couple of things to tidy up first, then I'll be dropping in here now and again to look at what's needed and blast the editing. Should be fun! SilkTork *YES! 19:24, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's useful to have the criteria here to refer to:

What is a good article?[edit]

A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
    (a) the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  2. Verifiable with no original research:
    (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;[2] and
    (c) it contains no original research.
  3. Broad in its coverage:
    (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.[4]
  6. Illustrated, if possible, by images:[5]
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    (b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

The lead currently doesn't adequately cover the article, and that could be built on. I also notice that there are very few references, so work could be done on tracking down sources. SilkTork *YES! 21:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Quotation[edit]

Don't know where this quotation was originally from, but it was in today's "Thought for the Day" in the Portland [Maine] Press Herald newspaper, and I thought it worth recording.

"Being an intellectual creates a lot of questions and no answers" - Janis Joplin

Dubious section[edit]

Not sure of the value of this. I have moved it here to see if there's anything in this that needs to be in the article, and where it can go. SilkTork *YES! 15:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Joplin in film and song[edit]

  • The Mamas & the Papas wrote a song about Janis Joplin entitled "Pearl", and released it as part of their 1971 album, People Like Us.
  • Kris Kristofferson (with Donnie Fritts) wrote the song "Epitaph (Black and Blue)" about Joplin. The song is the final track on his 1971 album, The Silver Tongued Devil and I.
  • The Righteous Brothers included a tribute to Janis Joplin in their 1974 reunion Top-10 single "Rock and Roll Heaven". The lyrics of the first verse begin with the lines "Jimi gave us rainbows, and Janis took a piece of our hearts..."
  • Joplin's premature death is the subject of Dory Previn's song "A Stone for Bessie Smith", which appears on Previn's 1971 album Mythical Kings and Iguanas. The lyric sheet of this record refers to a televised conversation between Joplin and actress Gloria Swanson.
  • In the 2007 movie Across the Universe, a Joplin-like character is portrayed as Sadie, played by Dana Fuchs.
  • Janis Joplin is a prominent character in the TV episode "You Know They Got a Hell of a Band" from Nightmares and Dreamscapes: From the Stories of Stephen King.
  • "In the Quiet Morning" recorded by Joan Baez and written by her sister, Mimi Farina, recounts the moment Farina heard the news about Joplin's death.
  • Leonard Cohen's song "Chelsea Hotel #2", with the line "You told me again you preferred handsome men but for me you would make an exception", was inspired by his brief affair with Joplin.[7]
  • The Grateful Dead wrote "Bird Song" inspired by Joplin. The first two lines are "All I know is something like a bird within her sang. All I know she sang a little while and then flew on". The song's lyricist, Robert Hunter, included the dedication "...for Janis" with the lyric in his book "Box of Rain".
  • Don McLean is widely believed to allude to Janis Joplin in his song "American Pie" with the lines "I met a girl who sang the blues / And I asked her for some happy news, / But she just smiled and turned away".[8][9][10][11] McLean has neither denied nor confirmed the belief.[12][13]


I think almost everything listed here is valid content with roots in reactions by her contemporaries to her death. In many cases, these were her friends/lovers/colleagues and their reaction goes a long way toward charting her legacy in music and the effect her death had on those people. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}}Please change "The official cause of death was an overdose of heroin, possibly combined with the effects of alcohol." to "The official cause of death was an overdose of heroin, a result of a dealer's forgetfulness in providing her unknowingly with uncut heroin, possibly combined with the effects of alcohol. Several others were killed that week with the same batch of heroin." This is cited from an essay by John Byrne Cook, titled Seth, in the book called "Janis Joplin; A Performance Diary 1966-1970." Bybiggs (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Done Welcome and thanks for contributing. It would be good to have the publisher and isbn of that book, along with a page to make verification easier. If you have a chance, leave the info here and I will improve the cite. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Ahh! Thank you so much! The ISBN is 1-888358-11-4 and the page number is 126. Bybiggs (talk) 01:12, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

There is a lack of consensus over the change. I'd like to suggest that you reword your contribution into a separate sentence to follow the current one. Something like, "Cooke believes that Joplin had accidentally been given uncut heroin by her dealer, as several of that dealer's other customers also overdosed that week." Cooke is already mentioned in that paragraph, so we don't need to identify him again. Can you share the actual wording from the source? Celestra (talk) 14:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The exact phrasing is "But Janis tripped and fell, struck down by a dealer's forgetfulness, by uncut heroin that killed several others in that fatal week." I do agree that my wording is rather awkward and fully agree with reworking the sentence structure. I thought this addition to be useful because it wipes away any concerns that Joplin's death could have been willful suicide. Bybiggs (talk) 07:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe there was ambiguity regarding her death. No one has postulated that her death was willful suicide. It has always been accepted as an accidental death. The content about her being a victim of uncut herion is not substantiated anywhere that I can find, outside of the speculation of a few conspiracy theorists who seem to want someone to blame. She overdosed and died. Period. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me to be an interesting detail with a reliable source, an essay by her road manager. I agree that there are conspiracy sites that make this out to be part of some plan, like the one I mentioned to you yesterday, but if one considers the observation without looking for black helicopters, one finds a plausible reason for a young person to have accidentally overdosed. Without it, a reasonable person could take our presentation of her death either way, as accident or suicide. Celestra (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The problem is, John Byrne Cook was not her personal road manager, despite what the internet pages say. He was on the road crew for the band itself and had no inside knowledge about the drugs she used when she died. He wasn't even present. Nor has been given any credible mention in any of the biographies I have read about Joplin. He is an essayist who wrote something unsupported in an essay about Seth Morgan, which may have come from Morgan's own mouth - there is no credible proof that the heroin Joplin used was "uncut", "too strong", or that she was suicidal or anything else. This is simply passing on word of mouth from the street. I object to this article perpetuating a rumor that has not been substantiated. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree that we don't want to give credibility to rumors or fringe ideas, but I don't think this detail is an unsubstantiated rumor. From an interview with her sister: "I very thoroughly researched her death. I have a copy of her death (certificate). I had a pathologist go over it. Look up Coroner Thomas Noguchi's book and read what he wrote about her. I talked with John Cook who was with her in Los Angeles and actually was the person who found her. I talked with Paul Rothchild (producer) who was down there and some of the other people that were in the band recording. Janis had not been using heroin for six months. She was clean. She had just been chipping a little bit at night, maybe four or five times. Some people made claims there was only one fresh needle track. Well, there were actually four or five. That's written on the autopsy. People that were around her knew she was using. There's no doubt that she was using drugs again. Also, when Janis died, she was legally drunk. It's very typical that when death is attributed to a heroin overdose it is actually what they call a poly drug effect of alcohol interacting with heroin. Very few people die from just a straight heroin overdose. The heroin Janis used, according to the coroner, was four to ten times stronger than normal street drugs. So, she had super strong heroin, and was also legally drunk. The combination of those factors led to her death." Celestra (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
None of that confirms in any way that Joplin "had accidentally been given uncut heroin by her dealer, as several of that dealer's other customers also overdosed that week." That is the unfounded rumor against which I protest. There is no independent substantiation that Joplin had uncut heroin, that several of the dealer's other customers overdosed, or that there was any hand in her death besides her own. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
If you take 'uncut' to mean pure, I see your point. I meant 'uncut' to mean 'not cut' at some level of distribution that would normally cut it. Is there a better word that would capture that overly potentness of the heroin? The interview confirms the portion of Cooke's statement which asserts that the heroin was unusually strong. That corroboration does not have to include every detail of the original source in order to express that "Cooke believes" these things. If we find other sources that confirm the dealer/other ODs portion of his statement, we could remove the qualifier. I'll try to get to the library this weekend to read through the coroner's books. As to whether "there was any hand in her death besides her own", no one is even asserting that she had a hand in her death. It was an accidental overdose. The details of how that accident occurred are interesting and encyclopedic, in my opinion. Celestra (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I mean uncut, as in not diluted in strength. The interview only repeats the story that Cooke told Laura Joplin, it in no way confirms anything reliably. There is no reason to include what Cooke believes. I have a huge issue with repeating what Cooke first circulated in this article. As it currently stands, it perpetuates that her death was related to uncut heroin which is unproven and unsupported. I've read all the biographies of Joplin, I've read Thomas Noguchi's book. This requires a reliable source to continue to carry it in the article. The details might be interesting, but the rumor that there was "uncut heroin" circulating around that led to her death are not encyclopedic in that they are only confirmed by rumors Cooke heard and spread elsewhere. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:41, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
No, the interview clearly states that the information about the unusually strong drugs was from the coroner. And remember, we are not here to prove or disprove what is reported in reliable sources. These both appear to be reliable enough to support the text I added. I'll rephrase the text around uncut, though; you have a reasonable point about a reader taking that as meaning pure, although I'm sure that wasn't what Cooke meant. Celestra (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

You have another issue. The "John Byrne Cook" who wrote the essay titled "Seth" (included in Janis Joplin: A Performance Diary) is not the same John Cooke who was her road manager and who found her dead. That John Cooke has an "e" on the end. You can confirm the spelling by noting that John Cooke is the son of Alistair Cooke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.170.104.37 (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The authors of Janis Joplin: A Performance Diary are John Byrne Cooke and David Dalton. John Byrne Cooke's website characterize the book as "ten essays by Janis's road manager, John Byrne Cooke, give an intimate portrait of the first woman superstar of rock in the turbulent Sixties." I think the Cook mentioned in the interview as well as by the requester were simply misspellings. Celestra (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Improper external links?[edit]

Has there been a community consensus formed that the following links actually meet instead of violate our external link guidelines?

  • JohnGilmore. com: Spotlight on Janis Joplin
  • Janis Joplin's Kozmic Blues - janisjoplin. net
  • Canadian Classic Rock Page: The Full Tilt Boogie Band

To me, they appear to fall easily within self published sites that should not be included when actual reliable sources are plentiful. Because the site is locked, I could not remove them myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.146 (talk) 01:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The page isn't locked, it is protected against edits by anonymous, unregistered editors because of the issues arising from 30 Rock including an episode where they vandalized this page. Sara's Song (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

death[edit]

joplin had a more than lethal amount of alcohol in her system at the time of her death. the cause of death is incorrect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.33.159 (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The cause of death is sourced from two different works in the article. On what do you base your contention? She did not have a lethal amount of alcohol in her system, her death was from an overdose of heroin. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Janis Joplin died of a heroin overdose, not from alcohol poisoning or even combining alcohol with opiates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.0.24 (talk) 09:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The value of a good image[edit]

The photo removed was a valuable addition to the article, which now has only a poor passport photo. To me, at least, it makes no sense to remove an "original," museum-provided, photo of a world-renowned historical singer and leave an insignificant one. The image "File:Janice Joplin hall of fame.jpg" is the best one of her in Wikipedia, and is currently orphaned. It should be added back, IMO. Anyone else agree?

  • Include. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
  • No, I don't agree. There was no evidence that the photo was museum-provided, it is also identical to the album cover of Farewell Song. All I saw was that the photo was posted with a story about her. We need proof of provenance. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
As a non-free "fair use" image for this article, I'm not sure that provenance is required, just a source. The image source was from an article about an event at the museum, so no one is trying to confirm a PD status. It's not a record cover, it's an original photo and much better. It's also the only decent image of her that we have to add, and meets rule #8 for acceptable use: "Images with iconic status or historical importance: As subjects of commentary." --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 08:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
That image is the one that was originally [or at least a few years ago] placed on the site. I put it up. It was quite a while after that it was indicated to be non-fair-use and removed. But it is certainly a much better image than the main image on the site that replaced it. Dumarest (talk) 11:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
It has to meet the requirements of WP:FURG, have a valid rationale and there shouldn't be a free use image available. The thing is, there is a free use available. I realize the image you uploaded was not an album cover, but it was the identical image that was used on the album. How do you rationalize it having historic significance? And where in the article does the commentary address the image itself? Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
There is an expanded rationale on the image page: File:Janice Joplin hall of fame.jpg. As for the fact that there is a free image available, I would propose a new standard: the "Who's that?" test. In other words, If someone who knows who Janis Joplin was, is shown a photo of her (i.e. current passport shot), and replies "Who's that?", then the photo should be considered below the standard, and a non-free image is a valid replacement. Test results:
Who's that? --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 18:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
The rationale is much stronger. The problem that I see is that the rationale addresses why we should use an unfree image but not strongly why we should use this unfree image. That's something that could and should be expanded so that anyone reading it can see why this image is chosen ahead of any other unfree images that may exist. The image page says it's for use in the legacy section, but that's not explained, and looking at the article, I don't see how it fits into the legacy section anyway. The image itself is of Joplin performing and the fact that it is associated with the Hall of Fame is not obvious from the image. If it is to go anywhere, I think it should go in the body of the article, however the text in the article would need to be rewritten so that that the image enhances the text. The image may be historical in nature, but on first glance it's a generic image of Joplin performing. The text and fair use rationale need to be enhanced so that the relevance of the image is clearly seen by anyone unfamiliar with Joplin. You seem to approaching this from the perspective of knowing the background and significance of the image, so you need to make it as obvious to everyone else as it is to you. The "who's that" test would need to be raised at the appropriate copyright and image use talk pages, but I doubt it would get a lot of support. A lot of people could look at this image of Joplin and still ask "who's that?" I think the "who's that?" test would end up saying more about the knowledge/ignorance of individual editors rather than the quality or usefulness of particular images. Rossrs (talk) 23:49, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
The article text mentions many of her concert tours, but where and when this photo was taken I don't know. It might be mentioned on the album cover that used the photo. The photo does show her performing, presumably at a live concert, and she is wearing many of the items such loads of jewelry that is also mentioned. The photo could perhaps be mentioned as unique in that it was used on an album cover. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps it could but there may be alternatives. Generally I support fair use if I believe it's being used appropriately, so my attitude is not a case of "it's not free, delete it", but I think if the copyright status/holder is unknown, that it makes any possible use more difficult. I think the article needs an image of Joplin performing, ideally a free one. If that's not possible (and she's been deceased for a long time, so the chances of a free image being available seems less likely) we should at least aim to use a photograph with a known copyright, properly attributed. I would feel easier supporting that type of image. This image is nice and it addresses some points you want to address, but if you don't know where or when it was taken, it is just a generic performance shot, and if another generic performance shot conveyed the same info, and could be attributed to its copyright holder it would be more suitable, in my opinion. Rossrs (talk) 11:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

New Cover Photo[edit]

Can someone out there find a better cover photo then the passport ID? This is JANIS. Please. Anyone? Could there be any outlet that would give permission to use another photo? Cmguy777 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Here is a link to a photo of Janis Joplin. Can anyone get permission to use this photo: http://onshuffle.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/ Cmguy777 (talk) 20:15, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Although any photo of Janis is a good photo, I removed this from the article because it does not portray her accurately as an artist. Until (an) artistic photo(s) of Janis is (are) found that can be used on Wikipedia, it is better not to have any photo. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

File:Janisjoplin.png
Photo taken from her passport

Thanks again Endlessdan for putting in an artistic cover photo of Janis Joplin!

Looks like the cover photo has been deleted. Again, I am removing the Visa ID photo. Makes no sense. Cmguy777 (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
There's a debate going on at that image's own page about whether it's free use or not. Whatever we do, we need to insert a better picture than that semi-abstract, high-contrast image that's there now. That's decorative, and does not give a true, encyclopedic picture of the appearance of this article's subject. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Saw someone had added a much better picture today, a painting her performing that illustrates her standard performing look. Nice.--Tenebrae (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I prefer a standard photograph rather then the abstract painting of a photo for the cover. I put the abstract painting on since a previous photograph had been taken off due to copyright infringements. The current photograph is artistic and represents Janis as an artist. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Links[edit]

I put these links from the article to the talk page.

See also[edit]

Release date - Very Best of Janis Joplin[edit]

According to Amazon.co.uk it was already released in 1989. --Adam Brody (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Wake party[edit]

The information on Seth Morgan, Janis's fiancé, has everything to do with Janis Joplin, in my opinion. Seth Morgan having sex with someone after the wake party shows the character of the people whom Janis was associated with. It was not meant to be salacious since this is the person Janis was allegedly suppose to marry. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I have to disagree with you there, I don't see any reason that should be in an encyclopedia entry on Janis Joplin. While an interesting and, yes, salacious tidbit of gossip, it has everything to do with HIS biography, not Janis's. If he had his own wikipedia page, I would certainly advocate including it there, but not on Janis Joplin's page. --Ella Plantagenet (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Good article attempt[edit]

Is it possible to try for a good article at this time? Any suggestions? Cmguy777 (talk) 03:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


LGBT tag with no content?[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering if there was a particular reason that this article is part of Wikipedia's LGBT studies collection but doesn't mention anything about Joplin's sexual orientation. Looking through the history, it looks like the last discussion of her sexuality on the talk page gave up on it because the sources they were talking about using were not substantial enough for WP standards. If that's the only issue, there was a "20-20 Downtown" mini-biopic on her back in 2000 (part 1 is here) that seems legitimate enough (I think?). Anyway, I just was curious if this was an already much-debated and now closed topic. It seems like an odd comprimise to just have the WikiProjects tag. Dgianotti (talk) 06:27, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Janis Joplin was bisexual and very out about her sexuality while she was alive and had relationships with men and women then including Kris Kristofferson and Janis Ian. Even in biographies about Janis it's well documented that she's bisexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.0.24 (talk) 09:30, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Wrong. No, Ms. Joplin wasn't out as a lesbian or bisexual when she was alive. She never had a relationship with Janis Ian. If you have read Ms. Ian's 2008 memoir, you would notice that the two singers were platonic friends in 1967 and 1968. They lost contact with each other sometime before Martin Luther King's assassination.

The morning after his assassination, Janis Ian got dosed with LSD without her prior knowledge in front of a midtown Manhattan hotel. She spent almost a year recovering from the experience, spending much of that time with a full-time psychiatrist in Philadelphia. Even as late as September of 1970, Ms. Ian was still intermittently ill. She was lying on a couch at a friend's house in Philadelphia when she learned of the death of Jimi Hendrix, with whom she had been friendly in 1967 and 1968. They had last seen each other just several hours before her involuntary dosing by a stranger. Both were at a Greenwich Village club immediately after they, B. B. King and other performers learned of Dr. King's assassination. This is all is the 2008 Janis Ian autobiography. It describes profound friendships she had with Hendrix and Joplin -- nothing more.

All the comments attributed to Janis Joplin about her lesbian experiences were attributed to her when she was dead. I'm not saying anyone put words in her dead mouth. I'm saying she was careful when she talked to reporters. One source for this article, the book Piece of My Heart by David Dalton, contains a transcript of a taped conversation involving Dalton, Joplin and two male bar patrons sitting near them in Louisville, Kentucky. One of the patrons insists that Janis meet his wife. Janis says cautiously, "Well, I'm not real fond of women" and she laughs.

In one of the posthumous books on Joplin filled with her quotes on same-sex relationships, the one by Peggy Caserta, you read about a press conference held at an expensive hotel near the Woodstock concert where performers stayed. Caserta claimed in the book that Joplin encouraged her to stand next to her in front of journalists, and that Joplin fondled her breasts. I have checked several books on Woodstock written over a period of many years, and none of them mentions this hotel press conference.

The article as it is now does mention "her relationship with Peggy Caserta" as one of the causes of her break-up with David Niehaus. That's enough. Joplin was careful discussing Niehaus when she was alive, saying only that she had visited the jungle of Brazil with "a big bear of a beatnik." After they broke up, she did not mention him to reporters, and she never mentioned Caserta. I have read all the major press articles about her published when she was alive. Even Kristofferson's relationship with her turned up just a few times during her lifetime. What would Janis Joplin have said about her male and female lovers had she lived longer ? We'll never know. Myra Friedman said in the first edition of her book, published three years after the singer's death, that calling her a lesbian is oversimplified. Friedman added that the LGBT community outers and the people who dismiss her bisexuality totally are both wrong. Friedman said something like, "If only she were as simple as people on both sides of the fence have portrayed her!" Find that in the first edition (hardback) of Buried Alive at many libraries. I'm going to remove the LGBT tag.


THANK YOU for removing the LGBT tag! LoveLight8980 (talk) 06:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the tag should be returned. There is at least one woman living in San Francisco who was lovers with Janis and had an ongoing relationship with her. Janis left her for another woman. She accompanied Janis to the Monterrey performance when she made her big break through. She is an excellent musician and that may be how they came to know each other; I don't know. I would be willing to help a responsible researcher make contact with this woman, but do not feel I can provide her story for her. She feels that Janis in today's world would be a lesbian and not a bisexual. To have this important part of her person blocked out is disrespectful to her spirit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.11.105 (talk) 09:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Since leaving the last comment 1/24/13, I have learned that the relationship I wrote about, is no secret. There are several online articles and a book that refer to their relationship and the fact that they lived together as lovers. There seems to be a choice here to withhold this known fact about Janis. It can be argued she was bisexual and not a lesbian, but to leave out her romantic and sexual relationships with women is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.11.105 (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I see that it's been a while since this has been discussed. I don't give one whit about LGBT or JJ being or not being included. I care about the integrity of the article or wiki as a whole (not to be too melodramatic). I think that if the tags stay, then there needs to be supporting content. Without such, it is not right. If someone opens the article and is looking for that topic, a page search will highlight the tag with no explanation (gee, guess why I'm here!). I don't care one way or the other. Tags and content or no content and no tags. Let's improve this article with some consistency. Thanks for listening. I'll check in from time to time. --Geneb1955Talk 10:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Artistic perfomance links[edit]

I added a new section "Artistic performance links". I believe this is a good way to view Janis Joplin in her stage performances. The section is not meant to be piled on with other Janis Joplin performance links, just ones that are high quality and give a good example of her musical talent and singing abilities. Possibly two more could be added. I would not go over five performances. Cmguy777 (talk) 03:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I renamed "Artistic performance links" to "Artistic performances" and incorporated the section into the "External links" section. Cmguy777 (talk) 03:10, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

New additions all with footnotes[edit]

Every addition I made today has a footnote. Sorry if I did too many in one edit. Discuss what I did if you like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.8.239 (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

"Piece of My Heart" on the Billboard Hot 100[edit]

Hi. In the Janis Joplin article it´s said "The breakthrough hit single, "Piece of My Heart," reached the number one spot on the Billboard Hot 100 eight weeks after its release, remaining for eight (nonconsecutive) weeks", when actually the song just made it to number twelve. It´s the album, Cheap Thrills, that spent eight non-consecutive weeks in the Billboard 200.

Link of "Piece my heart" song and covers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piece_of_My_Heart, when it´s said that the song´peak was # 12.
Link of the Number one albums in the US in 1968, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_number-one_albums_of_1968_%28U.S.%29

SET LEVY (talk) 04:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Laura Joplin interview[edit]

I've just removed this section, as this one interview in no way warrants its own section. So, if anyone does wish to integrate any of the points made there into the prose in the article, here is the latest version with the Laura section intact: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Janis_Joplin&oldid=442089473 U-Mos (talk) 11:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Since I put in the original section, I believe certain parts of the interview can be incorporated into the Legacy section. Cmguy777 (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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Music links[edit]

Why were the music links to Janis Joplin deleted? The reader, in my opinion, is left without any access to Janis Joplin's music and denies access to understanding her artistic works as a female rock singer. The current article is eerily silent without any music links. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Death section[edit]

Why is Janis's "Death" section confusing in the article? I noticed that one of the references was deleted or misplaced. Cmguy777 (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Image[edit]

In Berkeley tile - Janis Joplin arrested

I think this belongs here, either in the early years, or as her legacy.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Big Brother & the Holding Company[edit]

Nancy GURLEY is the one who died in 1970 from a heroin overdose. James GURLEY died in 2009 from a heart attack, a long time after Janis own death. --86.218.111.211 (talk) 13:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Close. Nancy died from a heroin overdose in 1969. Joplin was informed about it and had a strong emotional reaction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.204.174 (talk) 00:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Improve the current image[edit]

If you cannot find a better photo, you should take a look at the wikimedia commons category of Janis Joplin. There are two great photos there. Just take a look. --Το αλλήθωρο οπόσουμ (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I added fall 1968 concert tour with Big Brother plus I made smaller additions.[edit]

Before I made this edit less than an hour ago, the article claimed the September 14, 1968 gig at Fillmore West (San Francisco) was Joplin's last official gig with Big Brother. Oh, they did one final gig on December 1st as a favor for the hippie commune called The Family Dog, and that was it for 1968.

The article was very misleading when it claimed that. When Joplin announced she was quitting Big Brother, they were contractually obliged to play many more gigs throughout September, October and November. So I added two new paragraphs. First has a long quote from a Washington, D.C. area newspaper reviewer who referred to Joplin's imminent departure from Big Brother. Next paragraph includes a story about Big Brother bassist Peter Albin making fun of her; the story was repeated many times in Rolling Stone article and in books including Ellis Amburn's. I omitted the rest of the story, which had her screaming at him backstage in anger.

I made many minor corrections of word usage and punctuation. Comma goes inside the end quotation mark, right? Other additions that you could call major:

-- a clarification that Seth Morgan talked after Joplin's death about his feeling excluded when he visited Sunset Sound Recorders during her Pearl sessions. Previous edits used the words "much later," and that came too soon after the use of the word "much" in "much to [Joplin's] dismay."

-- a second example of one of Joplin's friends "who did not become clean and sober until a very long time after the singer's death." I felt the article warranted another example besides Peggy Caserta. Many people including Myra Friedman felt, while Joplin was alive, that Caserta was a bad person for Joplin to associate with. She had no musical talent, and her only legal means of supporting herself was owning a clothing boutique that she ruined soon after Joplin's death when she used, bought and sold too much heroin. Millions of California residents in their generation messed up their lives, many of them basically good people. One of the admired ones was Big Brother guitarist James Gurley, so I added a new sentence about him sourced by the Ellis Amburn book. That's one of the article's major sources. I don't mean to start a debate on Peggy Caserta. I'm saying she caused trouble while Joplin was alive, and the article should refer to the eventual downfalls of people who had little to do with criminals when their friend / colleague Joplin was alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.173.4.86 (talk) 02:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

recent edits[edit]

To say that having Joplin voted Ugliest Man on Campus is "trivial" is obviously absurd; moreover, if you had bothered to read the article in the Washington Post, you would see that things like that were what are believed to have founded here "other self: It was always there, beneath the music, informing it, and we knew this, we just didn't want to think about it very much". To claim that Welch is irrelevant is plainly wrong: the point is that the episode was contrasting the two women--and that could hardly have been a conincidence. You have no substantiation for your claim that Youtube channel cavettbiter is a copyright violator: the channel has been there since 2006. EllieTea (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia takes copyright concerns very seriously which you should read about here. That Youtube channel has no information demonstrating that it is properly licensed by the copyright holder of those TV broadcasts to make those videos available. That those videos have been there for 7 years in no way mitigates the problem of copyright or how Wikipedia is to handle it. The short of it is that there has to be express permission given (via a license or some other means) or else Wikipedia will not link to it. This does not mean that you cannot cite that episode of the Dick Cavett show but that you cannot link directly to it.
The next problem is that Welch's appearance is only mentioned in your edit. There is no context or explanation given for why her appearance on the show needs to be in an article about Janis Joplin. Of course it's not enough for you to say that it's significant or meaningful as that would be original research, you need to find a reliable source who makes that claim and then cite them.
Finally, the anecdote about Joplin being voted "ugliest man on campus" might be of use in this article but again no explanation or content is given. You supplied what looks like a reliable source but did not put in the significance of that incident. Wikipedia is not merely a list of facts but a summary of knowledge to help readers understand various subjects better.
So, I'm removing the Youtube link because it is clearly problematic under Wikipedia policies concerning copyright violations. I'm also removing the bit about Welch because there is nothing in that edit telling us why it needs to be mentioned. I'm leaving in the ugliest man on campus bit even though as it stands it's not particularly useful but at least there's potential there to expand on it given the source supplied. SQGibbon (talk) 02:50, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

To Love Somebody[edit]

To Love Somebody shouldn't be listed as a Janis Joplin song, it is a Bee Gees song. Janis' song was Somebody To Love.

50.179.73.202 (talk) 15:20, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Warning - "30 rock" JUST suggested people vandalize this page[edit]

Had 30 rock going in the background for some silly reason - they showed someone adding an edit about her "speed walking everywhere" and some other thing. Keep an eye out for vandalism. Wnt (talk) 03:35, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

And... nothing!. I don't think many people watch that show, but... people still must be less suggestible than I thought. Wnt (talk) 13:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
  • This has been a continuing problem (although, thankfully, less so recently) since the episode first aired in January 2009. I've personally done about twenty reverts of this 30 Rock vandalism over the years, and other users have probably reverted many more. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:45, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. I didn't realize those shows in the "oops I left the TV on" slot were reruns... or would ever be reruns... :) Wnt (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

13FEs?[edit]

Didn't JJ audition for/almost join The 13th Floor Elevators just prior to her officially joining BB&THC? No reference to the 13FEs in this article. Thanks. Maccb (talk) 22:36, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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