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Cleanup[edit]

I do not mean to be overly critical, in a negative way, but I do believe this article, and Japanese art could use some considerable clean-up.

  • The two articles read like copies of one another. Certain phrases, and sometimes entire paragraphs are identical between the two.
  • There is too much focus on individual examples, giving great detail of one or two examples per period. Instead, I think the article should give information on overall general trends and advances in architecture, backed up with 5-10 examples. Horyu-ji is not the be-all and end all of Asuka-Nara architecture; what elements connect Horyu-ji to other buildings (temples and non-temples) from the period? What separates it from the styles of other periods? Anyone can walk around Kyoto for a few hours and see a wide variety of architectural styles - and I'm just talking about the temples.

I will see what I can do, with the few sources I have available to me, but I am not an art or architecture student, and I do not know the styles and trends nearly as well as I do the political & cultural history. LordAmeth 16:33, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I am also insufficiently versed to be able to give a useful contribution, but surely Shinto shrine architecture styles, such as the cross-beams used at Fushimi Inari, represent a style of Japanese architecture that is at least different from that used in the Buddhist temples, and may predate the use of those styles in Japan.

Feyandstrange 10:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

copyright violation?[edit]

is it possible that some parts violate copyright? like "The temples erected for this new sect were built in the mountains, far away from the court and the laity in the capital. The irregular topography of these sites forced Japanese architects to rethink the problems of temple construction, and in so doing to choose more indigenous elements of design" seems to be copied from one to the other.

seems to be the same as the text on http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/tl/japan/heian.html - but i am unable to verify who was first, or who authored what here. maybe its a copy of "japanese art"?

--ThurnerRupert (talk) 03:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Nagoya Castle image[edit]

I moved the image of Nagoya Castle from its haphazard location to the Azuchi (sorry about spelling!) section because of the discussion at WP:FPC. If I messed up, sorry! <:) Intothewoods29 (talk) 18:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Reference question[edit]

One of the references is this:

日本 山田寺址에 나타난 百濟의 建築文化. 趙源昌 - 文化史學, 2006

Please provide an ISBN, a translation, author names, publisher name, and page numbers for this. It is impossible to verify a source which gives so little information. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

it is not a book, it is a academic document. here is the source[1].
author names 趙源昌 (Co Won Chang)
Publisher : 韓國文化史學會 (Korea culture institute)
Page : pp. 49~68 (20 pages)

Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 23:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've reformatted the reference citation to use the {{cite journal}} formatting. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.questia.com/library/book/japanese-architecture-by-william-alex.jsp

The Lesson of Japanese Architecture
Book by Jiro Harada; Studio Limited, 1954
Subjects: Architectural Practice--Japan, Architecture, Domestic--Japan, Architecture--Japan, Gardens, Japanese
...of Buddhism into Japan in 552 from Korea the architecture, as well as other...including, of course, architecture. The Zen temples...were reproduced in Japan and the style of...OBSERVATIONS THE architecture of Japan is of the lintel...

Kongō Gumi

Kongō Gumi Co., Ltd. (株式会社金剛組, Kabushiki Gaisha Kongō Gumi?) is a Japanese construction company and was the world's oldest continuously ongoing independent company

http://www.kongogumi.co.jp/enkaku.html

聖徳太子の命を受けて(by order of prince shotoku)、海のかなた百済の国から三人の工匠が日本に招かれました。(Japan formally request baekje engineers to japan...) ひとくちに海を渡るといっても、まだ造船技術も航海技術もはなはだ未熟な時代のこと。その道のりには現代人の想像を絶する数多くの危機と驚きがあったでしょう。また無事航海をおえ、日本の土を踏んでからもさまざまな労苦が続いたにちがいありません。しかし数々の困難と戦いながら、三人の工匠は仏への帰依の心をこめ、そのもてる技(わざ)のすべてをもって、四天王像をまつる寺院創建のために尽くしました。 Cherry Blossom OK (talk) 00:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what these other two are for as I didn't ask about them at all. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Japanese Architecture[edit]

There is a description in a preface: "Originally heavily influenced by Chinese architecture from the Tang Dynasty, as well as designs originating from the Three Kingdoms of Korea, predominantly Baekje," I examined two of those citations except for a book and a korean article. I found that there is no description about "Three Kingdoms of Korea" or "Baekje" or wording "originating from".

The followings are the exact description of the sources;

AsianInfo: " The introduction of Buddhism into Japan in 538, also brought many architects from the Korean peninsula with new techniques reflecting the Chinese (Northern Wei) style of Buddhist architecture." This can be interpreted as "Chinese design was brought via korean peninsula".

ThinkQuest: " Early forms of Japanese architecture shared a close relationship with Korean architecture. Korean influence is evident in various buildings, which were originally created between 57 and 665 BC." This means " Japanese architecture was influenced by Korea".

Next, I would like to discuss the reliability issue.

Above two articles are considered as "tertiary source". According to the Wikipedia sourcing policies, "tertiary source" is not reliable. Although ThinkQuest article has a bibliography, why don't you use more original source listed on it?

Lastly I would like to discuss about Korean history book. As you agree with that some of Japanese history books published before the end of WWII are distorted, some of Korean history books published after the WWII are not NPOV. (I do not dare to use the word "distorted".) So, if you write a Japanese article, citing Korean history book is unreliable. And vice versa.

As a conclusion, I modified the description as follows; "Originally heavily influenced by Chinese architecture from the Tang Dynasty, as well as by Korea," Phoenix7777 (talk) 03:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


I said too much about a distortion of history book. Because I have not noticed a summary of the article [2] in above "Reference question" section. If you do not know nothing except for the name of a book, you will be suspicious of its reliability. I apologize for that. However, I still do not agree about the use of this article. The reasons are as follows;

1. It is not verifiable for general readers of en:Wikipedia. It is not recommended to use such a source unless it is inevitable to use the article.

2. I googled the name of the auther with no result. The article written by such a non-prominent author does not seem to be gained a consensus in academic society.

3. The article "Japanese architecture" is an a article about architecture. Generally speaking, for a research of an architecture, it is not important what kingdom reigned at the specific time unless it is very important to explain the story. Two sources I examined above use "Korea", "Korean peninsula" respectively. I understand for a Korean scholar to use the relevant name of his nation's kingdom to refer to a location at a specific time. Phoenix7777 (talk) 20:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


I read the article of ThinkQuest[[3]] carefully. I wonder the author confuses Korean architecture with Japanese architecture. The examples he gave are Korean buildings not Japanese. I'm not sure whether there are remains of similar buildings of ancient Japan.

I found another website [[4]] with almost identical descriptions.(with the same error "665BC") I am sure the author of this site copied above article.

If my concern is true, the reliability of the article is denied. And reliability of an article on the web is also questioned.

Phoenix7777 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Expand[edit]

This article is in need of serious revision and expansion. The mere fact that the Rokumeikan and the 1964 Summer Olympics were not mentioned with one word speaks for itself. The subject is very broad and lengthy, however more concerted effort needs to be put in. This article needs to be at least double or three times the size it is now. Gryffindor (talk) 05:30, 15 April 2012 (UTC)