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No Sate?[edit]

How come sate is not mentioned in the cuisine section? It's a very popular food from Java. 203.82.92.60 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC).

Please refer to the Javanese cuisine link, it is discussed in more detail there User:Rosa lilian (talk) 09:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Munir[edit]

Well Munir was actually an Indonesian Arab, though he might have had some Javanese ancestry. Meursault2004 20:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

Why four of five picture is president?202.69.101.170 07:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree. They are all politicians. We should change the picture. I think the picture on the Indonesian Wikipedia is better, although it is in BW. Meursault2004 17:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Why don't we include photos of famous people like the African American, White American, Germans,Han Chinese,Asian American and Latin American articles in Wiki? Is it not more interesting? I found the grandfather photo selling rambutan rather uninteresting. I think putting photos of artists, politicians, and thinkers, is more intersting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.126.130.140 (talk) 11:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC) Is there any veritable source to say the old man is indeed javanese?Does anybody have a reference on that man?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.247.69 (talk) 15:42, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

One of the cuisine picture is somewhat rotated 90 degress, any idea how to fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosa lilian (talkcontribs) 01:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Pronunciation of "Javanese" and "Java"[edit]

How is "Javanese" called (pronounced) in Javanese? How is the name of Java island pronounced by its inhabitants? I've found a number of different pronunciations including "Java" and "Yava" but couldn't find the original...

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 15:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Javanese is called wong Jawa [wɔŋ 'dʒɔwɔ] or tiyang Jawi [tijaŋ 'dʒawi] in Javanese. The former is in the so-called ngoko speech register (roughly common speak) and the latter in the so-called krama speech register (roughly official speak). The island of Java is called pulo Jawa or pulo Jawi. But the land of Java where the Javanese people live, is called tanah Jawa or tanah Jawi. Tanah is pronounced as [tɑn'ah], while pulo is pronounced as ['pulo]. Meursault2004 17:15, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
In Latin Java is pronounciated like the native call their island, Jawa.Aditthegrat 08:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Renamed article[edit]

I renamed this article from Javanese to Javanese people, consistent with the convention used with other articles about ethnic peoples. I'll have Javanese redirect here with another link to Javanese (disambiguation). --Ginkgo100 talk 22:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, the language is quite often referred to. Glancing at Special:Whatlinkshere/Javanese, while more seem to be for the ethnic group, there are quite a few referring to the language as well. Most of this kind go right to disambiguation, for example English or Balinese. Having Javanese be a disambiguation page would make it more obvious that the links that go there (that should go to either the language or the ethnicity) should be redirected. Rigadoun (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

No Sources[edit]

Is anyone else disturbed that this article does not cite any of its sources. Regarding the used of Indonesian, It mentiones a survey but does not cite it. That particular segment says that only about 30% of Javanese speak Indonesian. That might be the case, but I really doubt it -- all school children learn Indonesian. Also, most if not all of TV programs are broadcast in Indnesian or in a foreign language with a Indonesian subtitles. In my experience, with the exception of the very old (who grew up before wide spread general education) and the very young (who have not gone to school yet), most Javanese speak Indonesian. Dr. Lukens-Bull 11:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that seems like an error. Don't know how that happended.Merbabu 02:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's the opposite, about 30% Javanese speak Javanese fluently. Many Javanese people in Jakarta or outside Java island, can't speak Javanese. Like me, I understand Javanese language but I'm not good to speak in Javanese. Ario_ManUtd 08:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox[edit]

For dedicated editors of this page: The "related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 22:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of sub-country regional population statistics[edit]

An anonymous editor (User:202.58.86.15) has repeatedly removed the sub-country regional population stats without providing any justification why they are unsuitable for use in the template. In reverting these unjustified changes I've pointed out that nowhere does the template (Template:Ethnic_group) state that sub-country stats cannot be included. User:Merbabu has also reverted these changes, I presume for the same reasons. Until a case is provided for why the province stats, which provide a useful understanding of the widespread distribution of the Javanese people throughout Indonesia, cannot be included I will continue to revert these changes. (Caniago 13:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC))

Yes, the case for removal should be made first, rather than a case for keeping. --Merbabu 13:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

This article is getting weird[edit]

This is ,meant to be about the people - it is now creeping into history, and culture and goes beyond the scope of what these style of article should contain - a lot of the extra stuff belongs in other articles SatuSuro 00:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

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Article issues[edit]

70% of this article belongs in other articles - History, Culture are not the main intent of this article, it is a misappropriation.

As an ethnic group the sheer size of population of the javanese ethnic group is an issue where transmigration in the past has seen groups try (some successes and failures) to assimilate in non javanese regions - there also significant variations in language, cuisine, depending on the regional location. Try speaking and asking a Javanese from Banyumas and Banyuwangi about things - and there are significant differences... Surabayans and Yogyakartans... the differences are many...

This article needs to be reduced in size and pruned of extraneous material which needs to be in other articles SatuSuro 10:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I have deleted verbose unimportant details. But after much consideration, I think some items pertains closer to people, such as social structure, literature, religion, occupations. Can we move them back? For other items such as cuisine, art, calendar, I see they are more suitable on the cultural page User:Rosa lilian (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Picture of Javanese people[edit]

The pictures of Javanese people on top are somewhat imbalanced; they weights more on contemporary figures with little historical ones. I've changed some of them to figures who lived during the colonial era. Alteaven (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2013 (UTC)