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Former good article nominee Jeddah was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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May 20, 2007 Peer review Reviewed
May 25, 2007 Featured article candidate Not promoted
October 27, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

older entries[edit]

I found the page a good beginning stub and substantially added to it (Jan. 2006), editing but not deleting any information. I took the liberty of removing one picture of "downtown Jeddah" because it looked totally unlikely (more a US downtown), and a check of the image itself showed it to be from Cambrige (MA?)! What would really be great is a photo (at least one!) of the beautiful Old City with its characteristic Red Sea architecure.

A lot more could be done with the HISTORY section, and the various universities could be mentioned, as well.

Sundberg, former resident of Jeddah, 1995


There is a lot of work to be done here: Too many images (mostly irrelevant/low quality), and I think you already took care of the cleaning/grammar part. Regarding the picture, it is indeed taken in Cambridge, the reason is that it was named Downtown.JPG (how unique!), and someone uploaded this image you see now over the previous one (which can still be seen by checking the history, it's not that remarkable anyway). - Eagleamn 06:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up![edit]

I belive that this page is nice now, compaired to this version in nov-05 (closest to sep-05 where the article was tagged) right here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeddah&oldid=29392439

anyways, I finished up the infobox and wikified the gellery lol

so I am removing the cleanup tag, thanks!

moving on to other saudi cities ;) --Muhaidib 06:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

US consulate[edit]

Is this factoid relevant ? It will be removed unless others vote to list all other nations consulates in Jeddah (making it's mention no more relevant, but less US-centric a factoid)

i agree with you , but its the english section of wikipedia which means most of users here are american , but remove it anywaysAmmar 20:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
US Consulate is more significant than others as it was the site of a terrorist attack. Mrhawley 12:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
the section of consulates has been corrected anyways :) Ammar 16:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hayatt Regency[edit]

mr user:Bil1 , Hayatt Regency hotel in jeddah have been sold for Radison sas.Ammar 19:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

College for Tourism and Business[edit]

sorry but "Prince Sultan College for Tourism and Business" is located in Abha not Jeddah , so i guess i had to delete it. 213.210.199.3 10:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

King Fahd's fountain[edit]

I think the section for the fountain is way too long for an article that is ostensibly about the city in general. Plus it seems more or less copied from a news article. I would move for its wholesale deletion--perhaps a new a new entry can be created about the fountain exclusively.

Do you think making new special article for that is better ? Ammar 14:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I did it anyways :D Ammar 13:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Images[edit]

A lot of the images in this article (the majority I think) are missing critical source information or are replaceable fair use images (or both) and have been flagged for deletion (can't be bothered to add a notice to all the captions, pluss that doesn't work in galleries so I'm droping this note instead). If any of you are in, or have friends in, this area you may want to start looking into creating some new, free licensed, photos to fill the gaps. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenice, but we need to keep the image use within the rules. --Sherool (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

let's discuss this on private messages :) Ammar 22:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
i think you should add a lot of images for Jeddah, because it's a sister city of dubai, and when someone goes on the article Dubai then they go on Jeddah where there are no pictures, they wont be very impressed UNSIGNED -- Unites 12:09, 14 June 2007

Can we talk about the primary image? the guy who took the photoshopped picture currently plastered on the front has replaced any decent image with that thing. There's a place for artistic expression, but city pictures on wikipedia is definitely not it. Namely, User:Farhan_Khurram: it's not a good picture for a cityscape, it doesn't even fit the title you provided ("Skyline of Northern Jeddah"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.51.76.45 (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

What does this sentence mean?[edit]

Also Jeddah is known to be the lightest city in the world.--Filll 22:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Luxurious house image[edit]

theres a picture of a (relatively) luxurious house below which it says something like 'an average house in jeddah'. i've lived there and thats not true! -- UNSIGNED 19:26, 23 July 2007 85.211.138.70

Comments[edit]

The article looks much improved. I suggest looking at some other articles about cities listed at Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Geography_and_places for examples of how they organize the articles. One thing I notice is the number of headings here could be reduced, with subsections combined. Transport could be a separate section, not part of the "Cityscape" section. Also, more references would be very good. --Aude (talk) 19:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanx boss , we will do our best again . it's just some vandalizers are wasting our time . Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 21:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Photographs[edit]

Maybe we should place a list here of photographs we'd like to add to this article. I'm a hobbyist photographer and I'd be very interested to snap a few pics of Jeddah landmarks (and I'm sure there are many more). -- Mohi 07:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Let's focus on expanding the article first . we have images much more than texts . anyways if you have some images Add them to the Category:Jeddah in Commons.wikimedia.org for now. thanks Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 16:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Climatological Data[edit]

I updated the climatological chart for Jeddah. I created that chart last April and recently altered it to display the information better. The colours used on it are from a template I created which is based on values for Canadian cities. If you like, I can alter the chart here so that the difference in temperature is more visible (Temperatures above 40°C, for example, all use the same colour) and use blues for lows to differentiate. Just leave a message on my talk page and I will do that for you so you don't have to spend twenty minutes copy-pasting. :)

I would also suggest finding a more official source than BBC. Is Saudi Arabia has a state run meteorological data agency, that would be perfect.

If you have any questions, please leave it on my talk page. Thanks. :)

vid 14:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

The article has a good collection of a lot of information, but it is not organized very well into a well-written encyclopedia article; the prose is very choppy. There are also numerous manual of style issues (mostly unnecessary bold text & some WP:MSH errors). It also lacks sufficient inline citations for most of it's information as well, another major item of the Good Article criteria. So unfortunately, I cannot say that the article meets the criteria, and will not be listed as a good article at this time.

It seems like there's somewhat of an overdependence on subsections within many of the main sections, as there are a lot of these with very little text in them, such as in the economy, cityscape, and transportation sections. The ideal organization would be to write a good description in prose for each of the major sections, incorporating as many aspects of each topic into the paragraph(s) as you can, and only using subsections as absolutely necessary (such as if you're text is getting very long). For example, separate subsections for two streets in the economy section are unnecessary. Instead, focus on describing (not listing with bullets) the different types of businesses in the area and how the overall economy developed over time. Talk about some of the major areas of commerce in the town, but don't get into too many minute details on shopping malls and stuff like that.

Any sections consisting of primarily or only a bulleted list should be converted to prose. Lists are generally B-class article attributes (they're great to collect information in the early stages of an article's development, but once we get into the higher levels of the article's life, lists should be used only as absolutely necessary.

The lead section (introduction) is very short, and somewhat choppy. The section should essentially contain a good summary of the article, ideally being around 2-3 paragraphs long. It might help to review WP:LEAD for help on this.

Inline citations in the article are inadequate, as they do not back up all of the important information in the article. All important facts and figures should be cited, as well as any information that is challenged or likely to be challenged. Additionally, inline citations should be formatted better; a single external link to a source is insufficient -- the citation should include the author, title, publication, date of publication, as well as the date the URL was last retrieved, so that, if the link is every inaccessible (disappears), the reference can still be used to verify information by other means. It might help to review WP:CITE for information on including inline citations and formatting.

Most of the content of the cityscape section is more related to tourism and attractions, which is better covered in the culture section, as they are really cultural attractions. Cityscape should cover a description of the various neighborhoods and parts of the city, and is best included as a subsection within the geography section.

There's no information on the government or local administration in the article.

The initial order of sections is reasonably good. You might optionally consider moving demographics to just before economy, since it's pretty basic information on the population of the city, and might be sought after by the reader first.

What about local infrastructure? Electricity generation, water supply, hospitals and healthcare?

This list of issues is probably incomplete, but hopefully it will shed some light on ways to begin really improving the article into a quality encyclopedia article. I would also recommend taking a look at the wikipedia manual of style, as well as some of the guidelines & templates at WikiProject Cities (though the two guidelines there are for US & UK cities, they should nonetheless provide a good reference for what a good city article should look like (some examples of current city articles that are GA-class include Tel Aviv, Richmond, Virginia, and Flagstaff, Arizona. Good luck! Dr. Cash 05:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The origin of the name Jeddah[edit]

I have started by writing about the origin of the Name Mecca in the Micah's Idols chapter of Wikipedia. I said then that the name Micah should be read Makkah because Micah used to live in the Bethel area, which is today's Mecca. Micah was an Israelite living in the Bethel area the ancient House of God, as founded by Abraham according to the Islamic Tradition. Micah was a famous figure in that area as a Grand Rabbi until people gave his name to the Bethel area and substituted the name of Bethel with it, just like they did centuries before, when Bethel was called Hebron. In the Harbor area of Juddah(جُدة) King Josiah used to be the King. Josiah was the son of "JDDH" and "Amon" according to the Old Testament. I do not agree with the local Arabian explanation of the name Juddah as being the "Grand Mother of all Arabs", as they say. However, apparently it was the Mother of King Josiah rather.

By logging on the name Jeddah with Wikipedia we find another confirmation for the pronunciation of the name Juddah: <<Ibn Battuta, The famous Arab Discoverer, has visited Jeddah during his world trip. He has written Joddah in his diary, in his speech about this city.[3]>> In Arabic there is no "o" pronunciation. The right reading of nominative (Rafa') is an "u" (as in too). Ask the Kuran readers and they will read "antum" (yourself) instead of "antom". Therefore, the term Juddah is more correct than Joddah as reported about Ibn Battuta in English. The explanation to the difference in pronunciation between Jeddah and Juddah is that in Arabic you can choose your style of speaking skills to get heard. However, when you go writing, you use the three consonants JDH only, as there is no vowels in-between, there are only signs called "harakaat" that sometimes are added and sometimes they are not. And to add the nominative "dammah" over the "J" or any other harakah, it depends on the writer's style.

The presence of three townships: Meccah, Juddah and Laith as mentioned in the Micah's Idols story in one single country must be considered for investigation, but also looking for Assyrian invasion (Tiglat Pileser III) in this area is a plus. Respectfully, Noureddine (talk) 18:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have read several refrences in Arabic language which confirm your speech , spells "Juddah" but i wrote Joddah. Was trying to translate Ibn Battota's source into English. But these references talking about "Juddah Ibn Hilwan Al Quda'iye" (جدة ابن حلوا)ن القضاعي . The Father of Quda'a Clan , They say That Juddah Ibn Hilwan has established the city and called it by his name . But in both ways the spell (Juddah) is in common .  A M M A R  19:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Ammar for your comment. In fact I do not see that you got my purpose behind the spelling of the name Juddah. It has been forty years I am researching what the Modern Hebrew has slaughtered in our history as distorted facts. The name of Juddah is only one of my many clues and targets. The Bible scholars write history like they want but they still have a European tongue and that is what I am after: the Modern Hebrew is hiding behind its pronunciation to avoid understanding Arabia. Salomon's Kingdom, no one knows its location with evidence (look out!!), split in two after his death: Judah in the South and Israel in the North. Historians do not say in the North of what or the South of what and it is not logical that it could be Palestine or part of it to be close to each-other. These two kingdoms were far apart. And when they talk about King Josiah "the King of Judah", they confuse the city with the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Maybe they are not the same. The problem is among the Bible scholars because they are confused and confusing. The story about Josiah tells exactly who Josiah's parents are: Jedidah and Amon, and yet the real pronunciation is a mystery unless we go to the living language: Arabic. And the story of "Micah's idols" talks about the same Judah. I am certain that it is about the city of Juddah because the harbor city of Laith is involved in these stories.

Ammar: I do not know Ibn Hilwan nor his time. He could be reliable if he could bring references. I would appreciate if you could bring some details about the history of Laith, that would be great but in general the Israelite history has vanished and evaporated mysteriously from Arabia since the opening of North Africa and Spain. They all spoke Arabic by the time of the Prophet. In history you can write any proposal and contradict any previous writer but in the end new explorations override previous ones and so on. Al-Tabari was almost an encyclopedia and because several centuries passed without opposing him we all thought his writings about Palestine and the Israelites were sacred and sealed. Today we have a thousand proposals proving him wrong and ignorant and inspired by the Jewish writers of his time. Today we have archaeology and satellite mapping in addition to cartography and communications. Voices from within the Israeli lines are calling to re-visit the Exodus stories and now Sinai and even the Nile valley are out of the Exodus tales. Even their beliefs about the Kingdom of Salomon in Palestine are put under the microscope and there are suggestions to shift their dating by five hundred years. Don't you find this ridiculous? Only the Kuran stories about Moses and Suleiman stick and make sense. Read my contribution about Sinai. Do you think that Ibn Hilwan could be spared from these revisions? Personally, I do not agree with Ibn Hilwan and the presumed tomb of Eve near Juddah is well before Al-Kuda'i by centuries.

Nonetheless, how about the story of Moses and Joshua who "entered the promised land" at "Yam Arabah, Yam Ha-milhah" as in the Hebrew texts. Shouldn't we understand something from the coincidence of Jethro (Yathrib)the father-in-law of Moses next to Jabal Ghurabah and Jabal Jammah and also Midian, all gathered in the same area around al-Madinah? Please give it a thought.Noureddine (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC) .

Language[edit]

Jeddah's official language is Arabic , but still the majority of people in jeddah speak English fluently , and the main reason is to communicate with foreigners and to studu abroad .French is spoken by some people too and it has been taken as a third language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.30.68.42 (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

want to know about admissions[edit]

salam i want to know about admissions, if a girl wants to take admission in 10 class what are the instructions for that

What ?  A M M A R  10:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

moving to jeddah[edit]

i m moving to jeddah with my wife and 11 year old daughter for a banking assignment for 4 years from india. pls can anyone provide me with necessary data viz, life in jeddah,indian school,social life,etc manojitarchanaManojitarchana (talk) 06:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

I haven't read the whole article, but the 'Life' section doesn't seem like it was written with a NPOV. Please consider reviewing and editing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.66.189.118 (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

i haaaaaaaaaate jeddah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.235.73.19 (talk) 12:38, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Neighborhoods[edit]

This article:

Lists:

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

"Religious significance" Re-writing suggestion[edit]

Hi Thanks for making this article, it has many great information

I suggest below modification for the Religious Significance part, if you allow me.

"The vast majority of Jeddans are Sunni Muslims, with a minority of Shia Muslims, also number of non citizens (Asian, Western, and Arab) who are Christians or follow Other religions."


No Need for below line: 1- There are also non-Muslim/non-Christian Asians. 2- There are no non-Muslim citizens; while there are Muslims who are not citizens.

Best Regards, Fadhal Fatani Fadloo 04:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Flag[edit]

There is Saudi Arabian flag as the city flag, and link to Flag of Saudi Arabia. But in that link there is no information at all of being flag of Jeddah also. At least the way it is put here clearly means that it is the city flag. 85.217.43.98 (talk) 16:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Money Changers[edit]

They are mentioned in the introduction, but not in the body. They sound interesting, what's the story? Spot (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

inconsistency[edit]

The record high is inconsistent with the chart in Climate. Reedman72 (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Timeline of Jeddah[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)