Talk:Jeffrey Dahmer

Ancestry of mother?

What Jeffery's ancestry on his mother's side? What was his mother's maiden surname? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.132.30 (talk) 18:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

No idea, if that information were available, it would be included in the article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Book written by his father

Shouldn't it be inserted? , see [1] -- 88.75.94.0 (talk) 09:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Possibly; but obviously, it's not going to be a reliable source for most things. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's the very first footnote in the article right now. That's about the right amount of mention for a single volume; this is not a bibliography of Dahmer-related works. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Time between killing Konerak Sinthasomphone and arrest

Was Konerak Sinthasomphone not declared missing? If he was - did police not link his disappearance back to Dahmer despite the incident with the police that night? Were no suspocions raised in the 2 months before he was finally caught?--213.94.229.173 (talk) 15:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Asian victims?

The line "most of whom were of African or Asian descent" should have the Asian reference removed. As best is my knowledge, there was only one victim of Asian descent, easily eclipsed by both Caucasians and Hispanics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MickjimWarabi (talk • contribs) 10:38, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

He had already preyed on another Asian kid, brother to the one he killed, and gotten busted for it. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

yeah i was thinking that only one of his murdered victims was asian and the line does state" murdered his victims of most of whom were asian or african descent" so i really do think it has to be removed. as 1 in 17 is not a most... 110.174.134.228 (talk) 06:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Changed it to "many". The fact that his victims were often not of the same race as himself is relevant because the standard profile of serial killers is that (for whatever reason) they tend to go after their own race. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand that its interesting that he didnt prey solely on his own race, but the line in question is simply not accurate. It should be reworded without the word Asian. MickjimWarabi (talk) 12:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

But then it would sound like most of the people were black, but the rest white. You want to make note that some of them were in fact Asian. Well, one at least... -BluWik (talk) 19:12, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

It should be because the fact that there were mixed ethnicities, not just Asian and African American victims. Noaru (talk) 23:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

TORTURE

Why torture, he didn't want to torture them, on youtube there is an interview with Stone Phillips, and he says he never wanted to torture them, it was not his purpose... --190.50.77.24 (talk) 04:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The subject is notoriously not a reliable source. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

That is coming from the man who kept human heads in his freezer... -BluWik (talk) 19:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Update on John Balcerzak

Can we add that John Balcerzak is no longer President of the Milwaukee Police Associate?

"Balcerzak was later elected president of the Milwaukee Police Association in May 2005, [27][32] but lost his position at the end of December 2009.

66.215.9.79 (talk) 09:17, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I would put something like 'former' and then add your reference. Please be bold. Happy editing, --CrohnieGal^Talk 14:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of whether Balcerzak is still the President of the Milwaukee Police Association, the fact that he could hold such a position given the established notoriety of his incompetence and corruption on the job, speaks volumes for the appalling state of Milwaukee's law enforcement community. BlueRobe (talk) 02:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

This article is about Jeffery Dahmer not the Milwaukee law enforcement community so that is unnecessary trivia plus please keep in mind biographies of living people. Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:42, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems fair that unrelated trivia of John Balcerzak has no place in this lemma, but why is his name completely removed? Seems to be an important part of this story. Previous text as in version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Dahmer&diff=prev&oldid=370225654 could very well be placed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billycobin5702 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that Balcerzak should be mentioned in this article, considering how royally he screwed up in relation to Dahmer being revealed as a serial killer. This is no BLP violation; it's on record, and his own article deals with the matter. I'm pretty certain it's the only reason he has a Wikipedia article. The following text should be reinstated, instead of that toned down text that is in the article now. This is what should be added back:

John Balcerzak and Joseph Gabrish, two of the three police officers who returned Sinthasomphone to Dahmer, were fired from the Milwaukee Police Department after their actions were widely publicized, including an audiotape of the officers making homophobic statements to their dispatcher and cracking jokes about having reunited the "lovers" and having to be "deloused". The two officers appealed their termination and were reinstated with back pay. They were named officers of the year by the police union for fighting a "righteous" battle to regain their jobs. Balcerzak later served a term as president of the Milwaukee Police Association.

If no one objects within a few days, I will be adding back this material. There isn't even a See also section where Balcerzak can be mentioned. Not having him mentioned at all in this article is ridiculous. Flyer22 (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Totally agreed. My first thought when I got to the bottom of the article was "But what happened to the policemen who gave him the kid back?!!" and I came to this talk page to find out (which I did, thanks). That paragraph really should be in there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.116.228 (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, sorry that it took me so long to get around to doing this, but I finally added mention of Balcerzak back, although not all of what I stated I would.[2][3][4] Like I stated in my edit summary, the rest of that material has to do with what happened after Dahmer was discovered as a serial killer. If we are going to include that information on Balcerzak in this article, it is preferable that it is in chronological order. But either way, people can now click on the Balcerzak link to find out those details. Flyer22 (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Eddie Smith Age

All accounts I have read place his age at 28 when he was murdered by Dahmer in 1990. This article says 36. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.131.237 (talk) 02:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

I want to bring up a discrepency with the caption of the image that is taken from Jeffrey Dahmer's interview with Stone Phillips.

It turns out that there is no such show as Dateline 20/20. The interview would have to be done on either Dateline NBC or 20/20. The interview looks like it was done on MSNBC; therefore, it seems the show was Dateline. I just thought that I'd point out that error. Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 23:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I took notice of your edits and I felt your were correct with your first edit so I reverted you back to that edit. You second guessed yourself and seemed to have talked yourself out of the edit. :) You did good though catching this, thanks. Happy editing, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Media portrayals

I was wondering if Macabre's concept album Dahmer would count as a media portayal of Jeffrey Dahmer motable enough to be in that section. It certainly isn't a passing mention about Dahmer; however, the invisible edit warnings does not speak of or explain whether musical portrayals of Jeffrey Dahmer would be accpetable. Would this be an exception to the "unless they are specific instances of portrayals of Dahmer in a broadcast, film or book" creed? Backtable _{Speak to me}^{concerning my deeds.} 23:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I don't know this band so I can't say one way or the other. The only thing I can suggest is to add it with references and see what happens. If it's not supposed to be there I would hope the editor would say why. Hope this helps a little. --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:06, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Umm..

"Dahmer murdered 17 men and boys – many of whom were of African or Asian descent..."

Why is this mentioned of the article doesn't state the ethnicites of the murdered? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.219.104 (talk) 03:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It should also be mentioned that he may have chose people of this race because of his location, which is a very poor area. -BluWik (talk) 19:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

No, he seems to have gone out of his way to pick men and boys of color; most of his pick-ups seem to have been in Milwaukee's gay bars, not in his neighborhood (which is not, by the way, a heavily Asian neighborhood). --Orange Mike | Talk 16:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Does it really matter? --CrohnieGal^Talk 15:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

The local people of color, and the local gay community, have been repeatedly reported as suspecting that if Dahmer's victims had been white straights, the crimes would have been noticed far earlier, and a major interdepartmental taskforce would have been created to catch the killer. But since his victims were (mostly) men of color, and gay at that, their deaths went unnoticed and unheralded. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

If you read the article it clearly stated that unlike other serial killers he did not prey on a certain race he did it with all of them therefore no reason to list the races... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.150.139 (talk) 17:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

cultural references

I dont know how to edit wikipedia but in the cultural references section I just realized that in the movie "the ringer" from 2005 the main character's alias is homage to Jeffrey Dahmer, and even the wikipedia article on the movie recognizes this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.45.164.147 (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Consensus is that this is so trivial as not to be worth mentioning in an article on Dahmer. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

"TBK - The Toolbox Murders" citing this article

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHwRT24oH2M

Ten seconds into the video: "His murders were particularly gruesome, involving rape, torture, dismemberment, necrophilia and cannibalism.". Then check the introduction in this article. I checked the article history, and it seems they got inspired by this article, and not the other way around! Is this flattering, or what!? --Beao 22:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

His brain

Dahmers brain was not actually kept for study. His mother wished for his brain to be kept for study as to help futher understand the make up of a psychopath. However his father disagreed he wanted the whole thing to be done with. They went to court, and the judge ruled in favor of Dahmers wishes as in his will and his brain was cremated with that body.

Source: Serial Killer Files by Harold Schechter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.95.56.209 (talk) 06:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

You are correct, Dahmer's brain was cremated with his body. I have edited out this comment and reference in the article. Supertheman ^(talk) 09:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Have you got a source for that, to trump the SOURCED AP report on which the previous language relied? --Orange Mike | Talk 21:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced sections

More and more keeps being added that is unreference such as this section. I think if it's not referenced soon the best thing to do is remove the ones not referenced and move them to this talk page or just remove them completely. Articles are supposed to be referenced which is something I think everyone is aware of so I will removed them if they are not referenced in a reasonable amount of time. Thanks for your help in this matter, --CrohnieGal^Talk 15:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Jeffrey Dahmer - An Unauthorized Biography of a Serial Killer

What about adding in the "Jeffrey Dahmer - An Unauthorized Biography of a Serial Killer" comic by Hart Fisher/Boneyard Press? It's hard to find many news articles about it to citate it since it came out in the early nineties. But here is the Order page for the comic book and a News article referring to the comic Kie D K (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Sexual assault while in the military

"Billy Capshaw was 17 when he joined the Army in 1977. After being trained as a medic he was transferred to Baumholder, Germany. His roommate, Jeffrey Dahmer, by virtue of his seniority ensured that Capshaw had no formal assignment, no mail, and no pay. Having completely isolated the young medic, Dahmer regularly sexually assaulted, raped, and tortured him." [5]Geo8rge (talk) 02:04, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Contradictions

In the article, it says he moved in with his grandmother in 1982 and lived there for six years (1982 + 6 = 1988.. okay then). then it says his grandmother asked him to move out in summer 1988, where he then moved into his infamous apartment. Then in the murders section it says he finally moved out of his grandmother's house in may 1990.... the date in this section doesn't match the other section. whats up with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.92.100.233 (talk) 19:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Table of "Victims"

"Victims" implies that these were his victims, but they were only his "Murder Victims". There are others that he sexually molested, per other sections in this article. By using the term "Victim" to mean "Murder Victim" minimizes the horrors he did to his victims that he did not kill. 66.105.72.67 (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC) Jack S.

Ok, so why not just change it to "murder victims?" Sottolacqua (talk) 23:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect labeling of Gay Rights

It says he was "active in Milwaukee-area gay rights and BDSM communities," however the link does not provide sufficient evidence to back up this point, it merely says he was on a BDSM float at a gay parade. To say that he was active in a community requires more than one encounter, but rather a history of involvement. If one can provide evidence for that then the article is fine, but without that it is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxsw (talk • contribs) 06:10, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I removed the line. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Media portrayals-one more reference

There should be one more reference in the "media portrayals" section. American metal band Slayer recorded a song called "213" on their "Divine Intervention" album about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.53.149 (talk) 00:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrey's Religion

The link sourced for the quotation wherein he stated that he did not believe in God does not have the quotation. Furthermore, the link itself says that the idea Jeffrey said that he "found god" was dubious. All sources seem to imply that he was a creationist and a Christian and not an atheist at any point in his life. It would be great if this could be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.130.140.73 (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Cannibal - Ke$ha

Her song should be listed the Media Portrayals section since she uses him in her song. --216.160.57.20 (talk) 09:02, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

We don't list every time somebody says "Dahmer" in a song lyric or novel. We only mention stories, songs, etc. that are clearly about Dahmer. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Leighmeinhart, 5 June 2011

Jeffrey was killed with a dumb bell, not a broom stick. Leighmeinhart (talk)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. According to the source, the text is correct. - Happysailor ^(Talk) 18:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Weapon used to kill Dahmer

On Christopher Scarver's page it says the murder weapon was a bar from a weights machine but on this page it says it was a broomstick handle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.7.203 (talk) 01:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

That's been corrected on the Scarver article. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.79.245.193, 13 July 2011

I would like to request adding the fact that the song "Nectrotizing" by the American deathcore band, Whitechapel, contains excerpts from a Stone Phillips interview with Jeffrey Dahmer in the "Media portrayals" section. The song contains the quote "The only motive that there ever was, was to completly control a person, a person that I found physically attractive and keep them with me as long as possible. Even if it meant just keeping a part of them." by Jeffrey Dahmer. It can be found on the Whitechapel album, The Somatic Defilement, wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Somatic_Defilement

74.79.245.193 (talk) 19:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

N Not done wikipedia is not a source. Besides that on the article you have linked to it uses youtube as a source which is unreliable. Monkeymanman (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Tracy Edwards/Andrews

Request: Near the end of the article, a paragraph begins: "In July 2011, the surviving victim, Tracy Andrews, was charged with..." The actual name of the surviving victim is Tracy Edwards, not Tracy Andrews. This is confirmed elsewhere in the article, as well as the source cited for the paragraph. Please correct the name of the surviving victim. 90.178.44.94 (talk) 22:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 23:14, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, since it's completely irrelevant to Dahmer, the subject of this article, I've removed that paragraph entirely. Thanks anyway, Doc. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Good call. Take care Orange Mike. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 13:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation errors and clarity please

1) Article states, "When he was eight years old, he moved with his family to Bath, Ohio ." 2 problems with this sentence:

The 1st is that just prior to this sentence the author is also speaking about Jeffrey's brother. Would be clearer if the sentence simply stated "the family" moved.

2nd problem is that there are 2 spaces before the period. There should be none.

2). I also noticed that there is a period INSIDE of a parenthesis (using this as an example.) - periods are always OUTSIDE (using this as an example). 68.28.147.117 (talk) 01:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation please

There may be others, but this is the first I've come across so please review the rest of the article for other like errors. Periods belong INSIDE the quotation marks, so this line needs to be changed - "tired of the cold". - to "tired of the cold."

Another Movie if you would like to add it

Just in case you would like to add it - There is another movie called, "Raising Jeffrey Dahmer." I just saw it on NetFlix. It depicts his family thinking back on his childhood, looking for signs that this would happen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.28.147.120 (talk) 02:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.236.41.137, 27 September 2011

English article, yet the french "née" is written where "born" should be written in the second paragraph.

99.236.41.137 (talk) 04:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

In English that is still common practice to use née for maiden names. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

LGBT?

I doubt he ever identified as gay/bisexual. Man who has sex with men does not equal gay/bi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.83.171 (talk) 07:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

???? He picked up his victims in gay bars; there's never been any assertion of which I'm aware that he denied what he was. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but he never called himself that, did he? Again, MSM/=/gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.83.171 (talk) 17:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Your definition seems to be rather idiosyncratic. A man who frequents gay bars and has sex exclusively with men; do you call him straight? --Orange Mike | Talk 13:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, we should at least cite our sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.83.171 (talk) 13:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

13 yr olds name displayed?

In the "Early Life" section, paragraph 4, it reads, "[Dahmer] was arrested for drugging and sexually fondling a 13-year-old boy in Milwaukee named Somsack Sinthasomphone." I'm wondering if the 13 yr old's name should be displayed? Isn't there a privacy issue because of the victims age? I could be wrong but thought it should be brought up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.89.209.92 (talk) 05:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Arrest part

You need to explain more. Edwards didn't just walk out and they follwed him. There were two other women involved and they were the ones who called the police the next day and told them to go check it out because they saw that Edwards was missing before. Then the police checked it out, that day he was busted cause a officer found pictures, and the other officer looked in the fridge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kodie E (talk • contribs) 02:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)