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huh?[edit]

That info qouted in the THE NEW YORK TIMES about the USSR using race segragation is wrong, the USSR was based on "a self determination union" with republics, autonomous republics, etc. saying that's segragation is a real sreach of the word!

huh? A have only one question for you "huh". Why have other nationalitis of USSR found yourselfs in minorities in own Republics? Even in modern Russian Federation there are about 90 % of Russians. Why all of the other a hundreds nations have become minority? I know from my friends, relations and other one's: When people like you were sure or wanted to, in Almaty and other cities of Republics all who don't want to believe to soviet (russian) information and want to believe to own eyes were destroied. You don't want to think. It's more comfortable for you believe in "USSR was based on "a self determination union". (For editorial stuff: Excuse my Enlish, I am beginner and learn it by myself) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.59.202.123 (talk) 05:04, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

huh OMON ?![edit]

NOTE: A first subdivision OMON was formed at October 1987 in Moscow. Republicans OMON was not --LenaLilikina (talk) 07:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

OMON was formed much earlier than 1987. Please see the article on OMON. Whether that was or could have been republican OMON does not make a difference. OMON can easily be deployed from neighboring locations such as Russian itself. Tuscumbia (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- YES,  OMON as punitive troop is created 1987 --LenaLilikina (talk) 08:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Then there is a chance it was used to suppress the protests. Tuscumbia (talk) 14:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Statement of independence or power struggle?[edit]

I was there. I used to go to school near the plaza where the main events took the place. Reading the article one would think that the uniform population was involved, but it wasn't the case.

It might have started that way, but quickly turned into something else. To anyone present in the city at the time it was ethnic and it was criminal.

Reading about "students uprising" might lead a western reader into a false sense of "rightness", struggle for freedom and self-determination. It is not how it was perceived by the population at the time.

I'd like to see documented article about the parties involved, profile of students (and schools they attended) and bus-loads of out of city nationals brought in, about pay, food and alcohol they've got for participation, about overturned and burned cars, about children led home via back roads by the teachers. I'd like to see an article about hush coming over the city in the early following years on the anniversary date - when people still remembered what it was really about. I could give you my account of one of those anniversaries - about drunk teenage nationals looking to assert their ownership of the country. And it wasn't due to age or alcohol influences, there were much stronger influences - those of ethnicity and nationalism. I'd like to see how those influences affected every aspect of government and business practices since.

I'd like someone to point out the beneficiaries and following changes in the political lanscape. I'd like someone to point out what the events meant to other ethnic groups. What the consequences meant for families spread out all over former USSR.

So far all I see is official propaganda.

How is this official propaganda? The article is supported by Western sources. You are welcome to add material, if you can substantiate it. The main reason for the Jeltoqsan protest was the non-democratic appointment of Mr. Kolbin to the position. "Әр халыққа, өз көсемі", to each people their own leader, does represent Kazakhstan's struggle for freedom and self-determination. The people must choose their own leader, instead of having one appointed by a distant dictatorship from Moscow. The criminal aspect of these events was the Soviet response, the brutal suppression of the protests. Of course, at that time, it was unthinkable for the people to question the decisions of the Soviet regime; the Jeltoqsan protest sowed the seeds for the unmaking of the Soviet Union just five years later. Selerian (talk) 18:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)