Talk:Jeremy Bentham

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How Does One Stuff a Skeleton?[edit]

The Auto-icon section claims that Bentham's "skeleton [was] stuffed out with hay and dressed in Bentham's clothes." It seems to me that only the ribs would hold any of said hay. It's not known to me whether the skeleton was saved at all, but I imagine it was his skin that was saved. Perhaps someone cares to do the due diligence to confirm. Czrisher (talk) 22:39, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree that probably needs a bit revision. The auto-icon is comprised of Bentham's skeleton, wired so that it sits upright, with a wax head. Those are his clothes, and his own hair was threaded into the wax head. The skin wasn't saved (although there is, apparently, a piece of Bentham's skin at the Wellcome Gallery). The real head is stored in controlled conditions at UCL's Institute for Archaeology. There's more here: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/who/autoicon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.154.69 (talk) 12:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I have changed "stuffed out" to "padded out", which I hope is a bit clearer. As I understand it, there's a sort of shaped pillow, which is what is actually stuffed with hay, which fits around the skeleton; and the clothes go on top of that. GrindtXX (talk) 18:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

"Usury"[edit]

The introduction to the article says:

He advocated individual and economic freedom, usury...

The term 'usury' is a negative one, and even advocates of commercial lending wouldn't use that term to describe their views. It raised (in my mind at least) the question of whether he was against usury, or pro-lending. Therefore does anyone know what his actual views were and can clarify the introduction? RossMM (talk) 19:20, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The reason someone saw fit to use the word usury is in reference to Bentham's published Defence of Usury (1787); and the reason Bentham used the words was that the statutes restricting the interest rates moneylenders could impose were still known as the "usury laws". Bentham was opposed to these laws, and in favour of a liberal monetary policy and a completely free trade in money (thus taking Adam Smith's free trade arguments further than Smith himself was prepared to do). I think, in the context of the lead, this is probably adequately covered by "economic freedom", so I propose simply to remove the word "usury" (which I will do now). However, I'm no economist and don't fully understand the arguments and issues, so if anyone else wants to clarify this further, either in the lead or better still in the "Economics" subsection, please go ahead. GrindtXX (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense on stilts[edit]

The above redirects to this article, but the article doesn't contain anything relevant about that term. Is this the work of some pranksters at work? --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see the problem. I searched for the exact term "nonsense on stilts", which is why the search didn't provide any hits, as the term is given as "nonsense upon stilts" in the lead. --Saddhiyama (talk) 14:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Good catch. I have now created Nonsense upon stilts as a redirect, which probably wouldn't have prevented your initial confusion, but might help others in future. GrindtXX (talk) 21:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)