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[edit] Date of crucifixion
This 'Friday, April 3rd, 33' shouldn't be there, since it is only Newton's guess, and certainly the putative date is not indicated in the New Testament. Sandars has a long discussion on the various possibilities broached over the centuries. It should be removed.Nishidani (talk) 06:45, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. The way the lede is now, it seems to state that the New Testament actually makes a claim for that particular date, when it does not. Also, the date of the crucifixion is the subject of disagreement among scholars. Generally the date is given of somewhere between 33 and 35, but some have gone as far back as 30. 30 is definitely a stretch, but, at any rate, the lede is a bit inaccurate as-is. I might also question the accuracy of the clause stating that Jerusalem became a holy city in Christianity at the crucifixion. Obviously, Christianity was not around to regard the city as holy until the first century CE, but it seems to me that Christian theology considers the city holy as far back as Judaism does. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 11:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Note on lead language
If the area and population of East Jerusalem is included, it is Israel's largest city[1] in both population and area,[
I don't want to set the pigeons in the dovecotes flying, but that is problematic, as experienced editors on all sides should recognize and I suggest we all try to adjust it slightly. My suggestion is to make it all conditional, as the if clause allows us to. I.e.
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(A)If the area and population of East Jerusalem were included, it would be the largest city, in both population and area, under Israel's administration,[
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(b)Were East Jerusalem, which Israel administersm to be incorporated into Israel, it would be Israel's largest city
Etc. Those two give the idea, but neither is very satisfactory, because the Western part is not 'administered by Israel' but is an integral and inalienable part of the state of Israel, something which cannot be said of East Jerusalem, which is administered by Israel, considered by Israel annexed, but not accepted as being, according to modern international law re state formation, as our sentence says, part of an Israeli city.
I'm not going to change it. I don't want a huge repeat of the technical debates. I won't even participate if one opens up, and strongly recommend people not to do that- I am just asking for creative solutions to iron out a rather ambiguous phrasing. It's a 14 piper problem, and may need some weeks of grammatical tinkering to get right.Nishidani (talk) 14:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- That's a reasonable point. A possible change:
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If the area and population of East Jerusalem, under Israeli administration, is included, it is the largest city in both Israel and the West Bank.
- Not sure it needs say "area and population" twice. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Agreed the reduplication is not needed. Not a bad suggestion, Michael. Thanks Nishidani (talk) 14:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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- Always happy to see agreement, thanks. Maybe a little time, a day or even less, to see if there are other thoughts, before changing. --MichaelNetzer (talk) 14:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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- I always think in terms of a few weeks. Edits to consolidated leads need full imput and extensive reflection, even by individual editors, before they are made, unless the problem is self-evident. I'd like a quorum of at least 10. I'd also like at the end to see if Hertz1800 gives us the go-ahead.Nishidani (talk) 14:56, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
- How about "Jerusalem is the largest city under Israel control"? This is since technically West Jerusalem isn't recognized as Israeli territory either, although there exists consensus that if a peace deal is concluded based on the '67 lines, WJ would then become Israeli. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 12:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
"When led to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the holiest site for Christians, the caliph Umar refused to pray in the church so that Muslims would not request converting the church to a mosque." I am fairly sure I was told this has no basis in historical record, either by the tour guide, or from reading an informative notice by the Mosque of Umar. Rich Farmbrough, 18:30, 3 January 2012 (UTC).
[edit] East Jerusalem map
The vectorized East Jerusalem map in this article has two problems:
- Some of the place names are in Spanish.
- Many neighborhoods, villages and settlements are missing.
I propose to reinstate the original jpg map until an appropriate vectorized map is provided.--84.108.213.97 (talk) 10:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] The Armenian Quarter
Does anybody know why the Armenians have their own quarter in Jerusalem, when they are a Christian denomination?--Splashen (talk) 21:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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