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[edit] Shituf
Jewish rejection of JC isn't based on Shituf, which has to do with idolatry.
A certain editor is trying to insert "see Shituf" into this article. His reasoning seems to be that since some Jewish rabbinical authorities view Christianity as being shituf, shituf is about Christianity. And since Christianity is about Jesus, and since Jesus was a messianic claimant... well, you can see the convoluted logic there.
Judaism's rejection of the messianic claims of Jesus are one issue. Judaism's view on whether Christianity is monotheistic or not is a completely separate one. But this editor seems to have an agenda, and it's getting harder and harder to see his edits as being in good faith. -LisaLiel (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Change in Historical Views: Talmud
I made a change in Historical Views: Talmud. It was written there: He [Elijah] answered him, 'This is what he said to thee, To-day, if ye will hear his voice.'
"if ye will hear his voice" is not the meaning of the sentence. It is a sentence taken from a verse in Psalms 95;7: "today if you will listen to his voice".
The true meaning of the sentence is "listen to his voice", it is also the only right translation there is.
It means to obey, to listen to what G-d says to you and do what he tells you to. Not to hear his voice.
[edit] Jesus
Surely any article about the Jewish Messiah should at least have a one line statement somewhere that the Christian religion believes Jesus was the Jewish Messiah? Yes I know this article should be from the Jewish point of view but it definately should make a mention of this significant fact about the Jewish Messiah when 100's of millions of people in the world believe this? (djambalawa (talk) 03:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC))
- They believe he is the Messiah, period, and that Jews are wrong for not believing in him, but not that he is the Jewish messiah. -- Avi (talk) 05:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps then this article should be renamed, because the claim of Christianity is precisely that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. The title is potentially confusing. The other possibility is to include a line or two with a link to another article. Additionally, thousands of Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Maybe the link at the top is sufficient? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.3.195 (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Woops
Sorry had a brain fade there is mention at an end section - but because of its significance I'd still argue a mention of this early in the article. djambalawa (talk) 03:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Apocalypse of Gabriel
There was an interesting article in the New York Times about the apocalypse of Gabriel, an ancient jewish text uncovered by Israel Knohl which identifies the messiah as Sar hasarim. [1] This ancient text appears to have interested both ancient jews and early christians, and it may possibly be further explored by contemporary scholarship. 69.157.229.153 (talk) 15:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
The last section on Maimonides's view of Jesus has no reference. It is not acceptable, because it that goes against all known sources about Maimonides's view of the subject.. He went as far as stating that Christians are "idolaters": Mishneh Torah, "Abodah Zarah", 9: 4. The above section should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.242.189 (talk) 20:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
The last section on Maimonides's view of Jesus has no reference. It is not acceptable, because it that goes against all known sources about Maimonides's view of the subject.. He went as far as stating that Christians are "idolaters": Mishneh Torah, "Abodah Zarah", 9: 4. The above section should be deleted.
^^^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.242.189 (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Messiahs in the historical, rather than eschatological, sense
If one were to judge people as messiahs by the standards of biblical history (in the sense that people like Cyrus the Great were), rather than eschatological parts, then one might think of people such as Theodor Herzl and Harry Truman (well, debatable) and the people who accomplished in 1948 what Bar Kochba couldn't several centuries earlier: establish a viable Jewish state. True, the Temple isn't restored, but there is an enormous open air Jewish synagogue on the Mount's footsteps and Jewish forces did take over the Temple Mount before voluntarily giving it back to the Muslims, as far as I know.192.12.88.7 (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
