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Two bits of wrong information, that are each possible cases of *serious* vandalism

"According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey, between 2010 and 2015 "an estimated one million babies were born to Jewish mothers and roughly 600,000 Jews died, meaning that the natural increase in the Jewish population – i.e., the number of births minus the number of deaths – was 500,000 over this period".^{[failed verification][dubious – discuss]} According to the same study, over the next four decades the number of Jews around the world is expected to increase from 14.2 million in 2015 to 20.3 million in 2060.Template:Contradicted by the citation^{[dubious – discuss]}"

I added the four tags. The "contradicted by the citation" tab came out in wrong font. I couldn't see how to fix it, so I figured it was better than nothing, and left it like that.

There seems to be at least two cases of wrong information here. I suspect vandalism in both cases, partly because the numbers don't even add up in either case (which is what first caught my attention), and partly because the are *very* different from what the citation says in the second case, and completely absent from the citation in the first case. Polar Apposite (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

This is from the citation given: "Jews, the smallest religious group for which separate projections were made, are expected to grow by 15%, from 14.3 million in 2015 to 16.4 million worldwide in 2060.5" Polar Apposite (talk) 19:44, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The material was added at 07:24 on 27th November 2020, by a user who is currently blocked (I think it's a permanent block), and seems to have been there continuously until now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_population_by_country&diff=prev&oldid=990919743

So this *obviously* wrong information was (some has been fixed) and has been (some is still there, pending someone fixing this, or confirmation that I am allowed to edit this article or some sort of encouragement from someone) sitting there undisturbed for just over two years and eleven months. Pretty surprising, to me, given that the article has had over a million views during the time that paragraph was there. Polar Apposite (talk) 18:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed that what was added to the article in that initial edit must have been edited to make it contain even more wrong information at some later time. This is what was added at 07:24 on 27th November 2020:

"According to a 2017 Pew Research Center survey, between 2010 and 2015 "an estimated one million babies were born to Jewish mothers and roughly 600,000 Jewish died, meaning that the natural increase in the Jewish population – i.e., the number of births minus the number of deaths – was 500,000 million over this period". according to same study, over the next four decades the number of Jews around the world is expected to increase from 14.2 million in 2015 to 16.3 million in 2060."

It says "16.3 million in 2060", which is off by a hundred thousand, but not far wrong. It is only the first part with it's wrong subtraction "One million minus six hundred thousand equals five hundred thousand".

So now I am wondering when "16.3 million" got changed to "20.3 million", and who made the edit. Polar Apposite (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

For the moment, I'm only going to address how you get these annotations into an article. Do not use the "sup" markup or anything similar. This is assuming that you are editing the wikitext (i.e. not using the visual editor) , you need to use templates, such as {{dubious}} or {{failed verification}}. Oh, and note that I am using the {{tlp}} template so that those other templates display the template rather than the results of using the template.

When adding one of these templates, a bot will come along a minute later and append the date, so it looks like {{dubious|date=October 2023}} or {{failed verification|date=October 2023}}. I dislike having the extra edit in the article history, so I try to remember and include the date parameter when I add such templates.

Sorry, it's going to take me a while before I get back to your other questions. Due to my limited familiarity with this, figuring out how to get the {{tlp}} template to use a parameter with an "equal sign" (so I could show you how to enter the dates) perplexed me for long enough that I have some other things I need to deal with in real life. Fabrickator (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the 16.4 million projection by Pew for 2060 based on the cited source. I'm going to wholesale remove the other factoid because I found nothing.

• Google yields only results from Wikipedia.
• According to the edit summary, the text in question was copied from Growth of religion.
• That article's history has Special:Diff/988781591, which copies text from the article Jews
• The version of Jews on that day has no such text or citation.
• An archive of the cited Pew source shows no such statement.
• The editor in question was blocked as a sockpuppet.
• The master account has been blocked for various reasons, including inserting false info (per the master's oldest block log entry from 2007).

tl;dr Even accounting for any confirmation bias, safer to remove the unsubstantiated text than to leave it in. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 20:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The pie chart seems to contradict the table and to be way off for the "Other" category ("1%"). It's at least 2.53%, and probably much more.

The table gives the percentages of the eligible population for each country, and when I added them up, starting at the country after Hungary (Hungary is #13), I had a running total of 2.53% by Panama (#31). Did I calculate it right? Polar Apposite (talk) 09:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Polar Apposite 172.56.70.195 (talk) 23:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Can someone please tell me how I can get access to edit box for the pie chart? Polar Apposite (talk) 16:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Historical Jewish Populations?

Israel is often criticized for marginalizing the Palestinian population within the borders of Israel -- however the Palestinian population inside Israel continues to grow. Over the same time period what has happened to the Jewish populations in various Muslim-dominated countries? If Israel is guilty of a policy of apartheid toward Palestinians then there is also the question of what happened to the Jewish populations in various Muslim-dominated countries. How about about including columns for historical Jewish population values in the table? Galt57 (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Data is 100% useless w/o a date

Table notes: the year is missing, which renders the whole thing totally useless. Just notice the mention of Gaza: irrelevant after 2005. Arminden (talk) 20:00, 12 December 2023 (UTC)