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Inconsistancy between body and lead[edit]

LEAD There are two commonly accepted meanings of jihad: an inner spiritual struggle and an outer physical struggle.[2] The "greater jihad" is the inner struggle by a believer to fulfill his religious duties.[2][6] This non-violent meaning is stressed by both Muslim[7] and non-Muslim[8] authors.

BODY Although some Islamic scholars have differed on the implementation of Jihad, there is consensus amongst them that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against persecution and oppression.[40]

There is some inconsistency here: "there is a consensus amongst islamic scholars that juhad will always include armed struggle."

but in the Lead, it says the opposite that non-violent meaning is stressed? Which one is it? Most of us can plainly see it's the armed struggle that is prevalent in Islam, so I will make this change so the lead reflects more what is said in the body.Greengrounds (talk) 05:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Jihad is the fight for women's liberation[edit]

Come on, we all realise this entire article is a joke, but this sentence is a pure pisstake

".....the terminology is also applied to the fight for women's liberation.[16]"

from a very very dubious source (muslim "feminist" ranting at a third rate US college)

Since the article is protected are there any admins who would care to remove that "joke", it would be interesting to find out who the joker is that'll contest its deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeddyTesseract (talkcontribs) 10:56, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I have not gone through the entire article but I do have a firm understanding of Jihad and its implications in the Quran and the Sunnah.
It is not specifically applied to "Women's Liberation" but it can be applied to abuse against women in terms of prostitution,human trafficking or :domestic violence.The Government itself or the chiefs of the village or the administrators of towns and cities in case of lack of or no central :government can act against groups,mafias or networks that are suppressing women(Not allowing for Education or The Right to Vote) or exploiting and :mistreating them as described earlier,without transgressing limits.This would,in theory,be applied to the central meaning of Jihad,that is,to :counter anything that is evil or against the Muslim faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.188.160.199 (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

To the above ^^^....Islam IS anti-female. It CANT be for women's rights when it actively seeks to deny them of rights [and it does in Muslim controlled nations]. But both the hadiths and the Quran both state that females should have less rights, so it is a religous issue and not one of culture. 107.222.205.242 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:34, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Muslim Brotherhood[edit]

The section seems unnecessary in the wider scope of Jihad.More appropriate subsections would be its use in the subcontinent by Barelvi or a concise history of its use by Muhammad and its predecessors.The tone of the Muslim Brotherhood section itself is bias and cites Pro-Israel,Jewish or anti Islam sources such as the Jewish Tribune or the Jewish Virtual Library(Sources 58 and 59). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.188.211.12 (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

NPOV: quote from Contemporary Islamist ideology authorizing genocidal murder[edit]

The Muslim Brotherhood section of this article links to a MEMRI paper titled Contemporary Islamist ideology authorizing genocidal murder.

I cannot yet comment definitively on the neutrality of this paper, since I have not have opportunity to review it in sufficient depth. I do consider that the manner in which it is quoted here makes a strong, universal statement about contemporary Islamic cultural beliefs, and would like to invite discussion on whether such a statement is justifiable or should be included without counterpoint.—Jordan Gray (talk) 13:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

misconception that jihad is defined as an internal struggle[edit]

--DHorsman (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC) The text:

″There is a misconception that jihad is defined as an internal struggle to live by the tenets of Islam: specifically, faith (shahadah), prayer (salat), fasting (sawm), tithing (zakat), and pilgrimage (hajj). However, there is no historical or literary evidence that supports this extravagant definition.

The closing sentence in this paragraph comes across as misleading, offensive and literally bigoted. I do not believe its meaning was the intent of the author. It certainly contradicts the several historical quotations in the article including that of the prophet himself. Was this a statement instead about The Qur'an?

I am in no way qualified to correct this but feel it needs some attention.

will cleanup article, time permitting[edit]

The article seems to be a victim of a sort of small-scale long-term edit war going on between editors who want to include spiritual and various kinds of non-violent jihad, and those who want to make sure jihad of the sword gets plenty of mention. The result is not very satisfactory. I will attempt to clean it up. --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)