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RfC: Adding acid rock as a genre in the article's infobox[edit]

Should the infobox include acid rock in its genre parameter? Dan56 (talk) 03:53, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Sources

Proving this to be a non-controversial addition, numerous sources say acid rock is a style Jimi Hendrix played or was known for, some of which are:

  • Writer Frank N. Magill: "Rock music was changed when the heavy psychedelic blues and guitar virtuousity of Jimi Hendrix became a huge success, creating 'acid rock' and pointing the way to fusion and heavy metal." ([1])
  • the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which is used in this article as a source, says "acid rock" was an influence along with blues and jazz ([2])
  • history professors Timothy P. Maga in this reference book on the 1960s and Neil A. Hamilton in his reference book on the 1970s both characterized Hendrix's unique sound as acid rock ([3], [4])
  • music professor James E. Perone ([5])
  • contemporary sources in Ebony and Jet magazine ([6], [7])
  • music critic Clinton Heylin, who called Hendrix one of the "uncrowned kings of acid rock" ([8])
  • According to writer and musician Michael Campbell, Hendrix was associated with acid rock ([9]).
  • HP Newquist wrote , "[Hendrix's] acid rock was appropriately frenetic" ([10]).

There are many more sources that do the same, but to verify it for the purposes of this article, I would suggest adding to this article's Legacy section some version of: American writer [[Frank N. Magill]] credited Hendrix with creating [[acid rock]] and pioneering the [[heavy metal music|heavy metal]] and [[jazz fusion|fusion]] styles of rock music.{{sfn|Magill|1998|p=1478}}, which is from this source: Magill, Frank N. (1998). Chronology of Twentieth-Century History: Arts and Culture. Fitzroy Dearborn. ISBN 1884964664. 

Votes
  • Support as the editor proposing this change. Dan56 (talk) 06:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. None of the sources discuss what specifically in Hendrix's musical style, playing, or songs is "acid rock". They only mention acid rock in passing and several of the sources are misrepresented. The R&R Hall of Fame lists acid rock among several influences: "Free jazz, Delta blues, acid rock, hardcore funk and the songwriting of Bob Dylan and the Beatles all figured as influences". Listing a musician's influences is not the same as characterizing him; no one suggests that Hendrix is a free jazz or Delta blues musician. Likewise, Newquist is addressing his guitar techniques; the sentence reads "His acid rock was appropriately frenetic; his ballad playing melodic and gentle". Again, a single element of style doesn't define the musician; no one calls him a balladeer. Campbell's discussion points to the musician's roots as more important to his identity than the drug "overlay": "both Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, who were also associated with acid rock, had deep blues roots" (genres for the Eric Clapton article don't include acid rock). A quick look at WP Hendrix song articles (Category:Songs written by Jimi Hendrix) lists only "Fire" as "acid rock" (along with "Blues rock, hard rock, psychedelic rock"). If acid rock describes his music, then this would also be reflected in his songs. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article body can talk about how observers have placed Hendrix relative to "acid rock" but I don't think it is appropriate to elevate the connection to the infobox genre parameter. Frank N. Magill's expertise was general; he was not a musicologist, and I don't think he is particularly authoritative here. Nobody who is an expert on acid rock says that Hendrix created it, or was a primary example of it. Binksternet (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with Binksternet and Ojorojo that "acid rock" developed in San Francisco in the year before Hendrix started recording as a rock star. I am against loading up musician articles with excessive genres. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - I saw Hendrix live in the 60's. Of course he played acid rock. Who cares if he invented it or not? Tunes like 'Are You Experienced' and 'Purple Haze' are about taking acid. Assertions to the contrary are ludicrous, and absurdly pedantic, no matter what anyone says or writes. Put it in the info box that it was a genre he played, or be wrong. Jusdafax 02:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - per numerous sources, and no rational counter argument. Dlabtot (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per sources and Jusdafax's unimpeachable reasoning. — goethean 04:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Discussion/comments
  • Hendrix was not responsible for "creating 'acid rock'". This is an error on Magill's part and is unsupported. Jefferson Airplane and the Grateful Dead, two groups that are usually identified as acid rock, were well established before Hendrix went to England to begin his rock recording career. Campbell writes "The band that first directed the spotlight to the San Francisco sound and to acid rock was Jefferson Airplane". (p. 213, emphasis added). They released two albums Jefferson Airplane Takes Off (August 1966) and Surrealistic Pillow (February 1967), before Hendrix's first album Are You Experienced (May 1967 UK, August 1967 US). The Grateful Dead debut album (March 1967) also preceded the Experience album. Tom Wolfe, author of The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, wrote "Through the Dead's experience with the Pranksters [at acid tests] was borne the sound known as 'acid rock'". Hendrix biographers do not mention that he performed at or attended these events prior to his return to the US in June 1967 for the Monterey Pop Festival. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'd support per the number of reliable sources on it but there are already 4 genres in the infobox. The information should be in prose, written from a neutral point of view of course, and not given undue weight (if, as suggested above, it is a somewhat of a minority view or not contextualized enough, relative to other style/genre info in the article). Agree with Fitzroy Dearborn. --Lapadite (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Hendrix's performances do seem to exemplify the style described as "acid rock", but is this a sufficiently notable descriptor to apply to him? Is it a genre he would have mentioned, or did mention, himself? Is Hendrix also "race music"? Does Young Jeezy make cocaine rap? respectfully, groupuscule (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
@Groupuscule:, I don't see what those questions have to do with this, except for "sufficiently notable". That is determined by what you think of the sources above. Dan56 (talk) 04:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Military Service[edit]

"and Major General C.W.G. Rich awarded him the prestigious Screaming Eagles patch on January 11, 1962.[42]"

This is silly and should be removed. There is nothing prestigious about a unit patch. Everyone in the entire Army has one. Not even a USASOC patch is prestigious, given how many support personnel wear it. Describing a divisional patch as prestigious is absurd. 68.190.209.63 (talk) 14:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)