Talk:Jimmy James and the Blue Flames

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Votes for deletion[edit]

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Nonsensical. Angela 01:04, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)

- I've stubified it. Looks like there may be potential here, but I know nothing about Jimi Hendrix, so maybe not. It's already mentioned in the Jimi Hendrix article. Maybe just redirect? -- Wapcaplet 06:02, 6 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  - "The band was together for three months" - How much can be written about a band that lasted three months and produced no recorded product? The article could perhaps be moved and incorporated into the main Jimi Hendrix article -- Leanne 02:20, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    - Knowing a good amount about Jimi Hendrix, I would say this article should stick around, with added information concerning songs commonly performed, other (verifiable) band members, etc. Due to the short-lived nature of Jimi's recording career and his profound impact on popular music, this band is of enough importance IMO to warrant it's own article. Plus, detailed information about this band would be unnecessary to include in the actual Jimi Hendrix article. This discourse is two years old now, but I just wanted to add my two cents -- AtomBum 07:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistency[edit]

For what it's worth, the Randy California page sez his family moved to New York because his dad had offers to perform there. No suggestion that Randy ran away from home. Don't know which is version is correct. Captqrunch (talk) 02:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the bit stating that he ran away from Los Angeles to NYC. It is unverified, and the consistent telling of details is that Ed Cassidy (Randy's stepfather at the time, and future Spirit bandmate) relocated Randy's family to NYC for performance opportunities. If somebody finds a verifiable source claiming anything other than that, feel free to add it.Kevinloy (talk) 04:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Band name[edit]

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The result was no objections to rename the article Jimmy James and the Blue Flames —Ojorojo (talk) 14:39, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The Blue Flames sometimes mistakenly called Jimmy James and the Blue Flames by third parties, though the band never went by that name": Randy California - guitarist with the band for roughly 3 months - himself said in a 1994 interview with the Hendrix fanzine Straight Ahead that they were named Jimmy James and The Blue Flames. He repeated that statement later in the same interview when asked about the use of The Rainflowers, saying, "All I remember was that it was being called Jimmy James & The Blue Flames. Maybe it was changed for one night... just for fun." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.20.179.218 (talk) 03:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All of the sources I've encountered refer to the band as "Jimmy James & the Blue Flames", "Jimmy James and the Blue Flames", "Jimi James and the Blues Flames", "The Blue Flames", or "The Rain Flowers", but never "The Blue Flame" (singular, not plural):

Randy California (band member): "we did five sets a night as Jimmy James & The Blue Flames". Black 1999, p.43.
Pete Sandro (musician): "all the musicians were buzzing about this cat... Jimmy James & The Blue Flames." Ibid.
Jeff Baxter (sometimes band bassist): "Jimmy was playing... with a group called "Jimmy James & The Blue Flames". Ibid.
Paul Caruso (sometimes Hendrix harmonica player): "He was playing with The Blue Flames". Ibid.
Chas Chandler (producer/co-manager): "I... saw Jimmy James & The Blue Flames perform...". Ibid.
John Sebastian (musician): "Jimmy was working... as Jimmy James & The Blue Flames...". Ibid.
John McDermott (biographer/producer): "to join his planned group, Jimmy James & the Blue Flames". McDermott 1992, p. 6.
McDermott: "performances in Greenwich Village as Jimmy James & the Blue Flames". McDermott 1997, p. 3.
McDermott: "Billing his ensemble as Jimmy James and the Blue Flames". McDermott 2009, p. 17.
McDermott: "as a little known guitarist fronting Jimmy James & The Blue Flames". McDermott 2010, p. 17.
Steven Roby (biographer): "Jimi James and the Blue Flames [section heading] — Hendrix called his new band the Blue Flames for two reasons: it had worked for blues singer Junior Parker, and it conveniently rhymed with James. Every now and then Hendrix switched the group's name to the Rain Flowers, probably just for fun... Hendrix insisted on spelling his first name 'Jimi', not 'Jimmy'". Roby 2002, pp. 51–52.
Roby: "Jimmy officially became Jimi... his backup band, the Blue Flames, took shape...". Roby 2010, p. 160.
Charles R. Cross (biographer): "he decided to call the motley crew Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. He had picked the name because Junior Parker had a group called the Blue Flames, but he also called the group the Rain Flowers, based on his mood. Not long after... change[d] the speling of his first name to 'Jimi'...". Cross 2005, p. 139.
Keith Shadwick (biographer): "Hendrix chose the name Jimmy James & The Blue Flames...". Shadwick 2003, p. 76.
Harry Shapiro (biographer): "initially the Rainflowers and then, in honour of Junior Parker's band, Jimmy James and the Blue Flames". Shapiro 1990, p. 101.
Charles Shaar Murray (writer): "he formed his own band... Jimmy James & the Blue Flames". Murray 1989, p. 41.
David Henderson (biographer): "Finally he had fronted his own band: Jimmy James and the Blue Flames". Henderson 1981, p. 78.
Jimi Hendrix, quoted from Swedish radio interview May 28, 1967: "[I] got my own little group together named The Rain Flowers. We had two names, The Rain Flowers and The Blue Flames, any one of those names is all right, you know". Roby 2002, p. 50.
Steven Roby interviewing Randy California (band member):

Roby: "Jimi mentioned in a later interview that the group was also called 'The Rainflowers.' Do you recall that name? (Note: Carol Shiroky had further information on J.J. & the Blues Flames when I interviewed her later)".

California: "All I remember was that it was being called Jimmy James & The Blue Flames. Maybe it was changed for one night... just for fun". Roby 1994.

The only instance of "The Blue Flame" (singular, not plural) in print appears to be in one newspaper advertisement for a gig. Additionally, Hendrix may say "the Blue Flame" (along with "The Rain Flowers") in one interview, but he often used alternate names and spellings (First Rays [or Ray] of the New Rising Sun, "Gypsy Sun [or Sons] and Rainbows", "Voodoo Chile [or Child or both]", etc.

The weight of sources support renaming this article [SEE NEXT ENTRY (use "and" instead of "&")] "Jimmy James & the Blue Flames". Propose to delete the existing redirect from Jimmy James & the Blue Flames and move The Blue Flame to "Jimmy James & the Blue Flames" with The Blue Flame, The Blue Flames, and Jimmy James and the Blue Flames as redirects. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Experience Hendrix official website biography [1] lists the name as "Jimmy James and the Blue Flames", which is as close to official as it's going to get and is consistent with other refs. Propose to delete the existing redirect from Jimmy James and the Blue Flames and move The Blue Flame to "Jimmy James and the Blue Flames" with The Blue Flame, The Blue Flames, and Jimmy James & the Blue Flames as redirects. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 26 January 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved, uncontroversial. Jenks24 (talk) 03:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale for the proposed move:
Requesting that Talk:The Blue Flame be moved to Talk:Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. The former article The Blue Flame was moved 9 March 2014 to the current Jimmy James and the Blue Flames.[2] However, the associated talk page was not moved at the time and should be with the new title. Thanks, —Ojorojo (talk) 18:05, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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