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- 1 Parody
- 2 Chorus of original version
- 3 Batman Smells lyrics
- 4 Musical arrangements of Jingle Bells
- 5 copyright
- 6 "Bells on bobtail" vs "Bells on bobtails"
- 7 So it isn't officially a Christmas Song?
- 8 File:Jingle Bells Or The One Horse Open Sleigh Complete.ogg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 9 Origin: Medford or Savannah
- 10 WPJAzz or not?
- 11 Sound files need fixing
- 12 Re: Bing Crosby version
- 13 Proposed merge with Jingle Bells (Basshunter song)
घंटा चोहिकडे । गंमत वाटे । घोडागाडी । घसरत जाई पुढे ।। ध्रु ।।
वेगे बर्फातून । घोडागाडीतून । शुभ्र पांढ-या बर्फामधुनि जाऊ पुढे , पुढे ।। १ ।। घण घणती । किण किणती । …… ।। ध्रु ।।
हिमपथ धवल बने । या, गाऊ गाणे । एक होऊ या गाता, गाता जाऊ पुढे, पुढे ।। २ ।। घण घणती । किण किणती । …… ।। ध्रु ।।
सँटाक्लॉज आला । करू आनंदाला । भेट देऊ या प्रीती जगाला, जाऊ पुढे, पुढे ।। ३ ।। घण घणती । किण किणती । …… ।। ध्रु ।।
Actually that is not the only parody of Jingle Bells, not by any means, there are quite a few. I think the batman smells one was inspired by "Santa Smells, robin laid an egg, etc(that I used to hear in K and 1st grade)" So it's a parody of a parody. The snare (talk) 05:10, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Chorus of original version
Batman Smells lyrics
Has anyone done any research into how old the parody version is?
I remember hearing it back in the early 1970s back when I was in elementary school. So it has to go back that far at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Musical arrangements of Jingle Bells
Is providing your own arrangement of the song automatically considered spam? I ask this because of the removal of an external link to my arrangement for classical guitar. After checking the history of the article I noticed that it was removed and classified as spam. After trying to contact the user who did it I got something like a warning. I need insight in this matter please, for I don't want to be marked as a spammer. (Pedro Abreu) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- No, posting a link to your own website constitutes spam. Posting your own arrangement directly on here would constitute original research. Either way, it doesn't belong. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 15:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- Absolutely. The copyright is from 1857, and hence beyond even the reach of Disney. Snezzy (talk) 02:46, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
"Bells on bobtail" vs "Bells on bobtails"
In the revision of 02:31, 20 September 2010 SteveStrummer moved some links about and added (perhaps accidentally) an "s" to bobtail. It's supposed to be singular, bobtail, that being a poetic truncation of "the bob-tailed horse". Making it plural, bobtails, is illogical, because the sleigh is being pulled by a single horse, not a pair.
Bobbing or docking the tail of a carriage horse was done for safety, so that the horse could not grab the reins with his tail and cause the driver to lose control.
This song contains several references to technicalities of driving that are "mere words" to most people but that have very specific meaning to those who have driven horse-drawn carriages or sleighs. As with many songs, the words that some people know are a "Mondegreen" of the proper version. Naming the horse "Bob" (Bells on Bob's tail) is once such error. Sleighbells are not hitched to the tail. Instead they are on the harness, on the sleigh itself, or atop the harness saddle. Snezzy (talk) 13:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- While I agree that the lyrics are not "bobtails" or "Bob's tail", a citation is still needed to demonstrate whether the author intended synecdoche (as you assert) or a name ("Bobtail"). (This isn't to dispute the practice of bobbing horses' tails or why it's done, simply to speak to authorial intent.) Otherwise, bobtail "being a poetic truncation of 'the bob-tailed horse'" is original research. Etherjammer (talk) 12:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
So it isn't officially a Christmas Song?
But, could you say it's become one? Since that's you hear it most around Christmas time, so it wasn't written to be one, but has been incorporated into Christmas. The snare (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- You hear it around Christmas time because it's a traditional winter song, Christmas falls in winter, and is a holiday where people are prone to get together and sing traditional songs. If you want the article to call it a "christmas song", find a citation from a reliable source that refers to it in that manner, and you're in like Flynn. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
- No, In Like Flint was the name of a movie, a James Bond parody, in which the main character was named "Derek Flint", but the title is a play on a much older expression, "In like Flynn", which referred to Erroll Flynn. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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Origin: Medford or Savannah
Apparently, the birth place of the song is not at all undisputed (as the English WP entry might suggest...) Anyone who understands German could translate and include this passage from the German article:
Savannah Gedenktafel in Savannah
Erst 1969 bezweifelte Milton Rahn, ein Unitarier aus Savannah in Georgia, die Medforder Version. Als 1857 auf das Lied das Copyright vergeben wurde, arbeitete James Pierpont als Organist und Chorleiter an der unitarischen Kirche in Savannah, an der sein älterer Bruder John Pierpont als Pastor tätig war. James Pierpont heiratete kurz vor der Vergabe des Copyrights seine zweite Frau, die Tochter des Bürgermeisters von Savannah, Eliza Jane Purse. Das Haus, von dem angenommen wird, dass das Lied dort komponiert wurde, befindet sich in der Nähe der Oglethorpe Street und Whitaker Street.
Es wird angenommen, dass Pierpont das Lied ursprünglich für den Gottesdienst zum Thanksgiving-Tag komponierte und an der Sonntagsschule, an der er unterrichtete, mit den Kindern einstudierte. Die etwa 40 Kinder lernten die muntere Melodie und den eingängigen Text fast augenblicklich auswendig. Das Lied wurde von der Gemeinde so gut aufgenommen, dass die vortragenden Kinder zur Weihnachtsmesse erneut gebeten wurden, das Lied zu singen – seit dieser Zeit gilt das Stück als Weihnachtslied.
1985 errichtete die Stadt Savannah eine Gedenktafel gegenüber der Kirche, und der damalige Bürgermeister John Rousakis erklärte das Lied zu einem „Savannah Song“. Zwischen Rousakis und dem Medforder Bürgermeister Michael McGlynn entspann sich 1989 ein wenig freundlicher Briefwechsel.
- Unfortunately, the reference used in the German Wikipedia article was a dead link, but I found another source and added the "Savannah theory" to the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:06, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
- This German story is bogus. If the song was originally written for Thanksgiving, in the 1850's, Thanksgiving wasn't celebrated in Georgia, it was a regional New England holiday, they also can't go sleighing much in Georgia, *since it never snows there enough*. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
- Wherever he was when he wrote the song, I think there is little doubt that the composer was referring to New England. The only real question is whether he wrote it while he was there, and simply published it when he was in Savannah, or whether he wrote it while in Georgia (thinking of New England) and then published it. There evidence to support either theory is relatively thin, but the Georgia theory can't be eliminated simply because the song is about New England. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:05, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
WPJAzz or not?
I re-added this project and somebody else removed it. Not too concerned as I am not part of WPJazz, but I do note that the first successful single was a jazz rendition and amongst those who ahve recorded the tune are the following jazz musicians - Duke Ellington, Bing Crosby, Andrews Sisters, Louis Armstrong, Benny Goodmanm Glen Miller, and these are mentioned in this article! --Richhoncho (talk) 10:37, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
- I removed it because the song is not in any way, shape or form a jazz song. Any song can be redone in almost any style, but that doesn't make that song itself (as opposed to the specific arrangement) the proper subject for that style of music. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Sound files need fixing
The first one sounds like it needs a bit of fixing - the computerized singing voice falls into garbled gibberish at one point. Can someone not simply post a recording of a human voice singing the original melody? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)