Talk:Joe "King" Oliver
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As Wikipedia now has the capability to have quote marks in titles, I see someone moved the article from Joe King Oliver to Joe "King" Oliver. That seems fine... but the links and redirects were not changed with the move.
Should things be changed to go to Joe "King" Oliver? Or perhaps the simpler King Oliver (I don't believe there was anyone else commony refered to that way, and many pages already link to that name. -- Infrogmation 17:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, but wasn't there more than one "King"? I thought Buddy Bolden was a King first. Nonetheless, King Oliver just doesn't sound right. Seems to me you could just let the situation drift until one of those botmeisters comes along to solve it by replacing all the Joe King Olivers with Joe "King" Olivers. Ortolan88 17:47, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Title Episode 2: November 2006
- User:Koavf has changed the title of this article to just "Joe Oliver." This seems wrong. After all, this was a famous musician known commonly as King Oliver. How many people interested in Jazz history are going to come to Wikipedia looking for Joe Oliver? He should be known by his most common name convention, which was King Oliver, or if one wants the full name, Joe "King" Oliver. StudierMalMarburg 22:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, it should go back to "Joe "King" Oliver" (or a close variation thereof). Yes, some people who remembered him called him "Joe Oliver", but no one called him "Joe Oliver (musician)"; his common nickname disambiguates him well. Unless a good reason why this change should be prefered is offered, I will move the article back. -- Infrogmation 22:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- I moved it back. -- Infrogmation 00:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Could someone source this please?
Although Oliver performed mostly on cornet, the instrument is virtually identical to the trumpet. Oliver is second on the historical list of the greatest jazz trumpet innovators: Buddy Bolden, Oliver, Armstrong, Roy Eldridge, Dizzy Gillespie, and Miles Davis.
What historical list? I didn't know there was a list. If someone doesn't source then I am going to come back and delete it later as POV hdstubbs
- I agree with deleting it as POV (although a POV of a supposed direct line of a few musicians as a summary of all jazz history I've heard more than once). -- Infrogmation 22:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- Changed. November 4 2005.
For the time being I moved this "Discography" section below to talk. It lists only the two sides issued by Autograph (good stuff, but some of the most obscure of his dozens of sides before the modern reissues). The external link gives a better idea of his recording career than this does. -- Infrogmation 23:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- King Porter, December 1924, recorded in Chicago, Illinois
- Tom Cat, December 1924, recorded in Chicago, Illinois
Date of death
- Thanks for pointing out this discrepancy, Jack. Please see the footnote I added to the Death section of Oliver's page. I believe the death certificate should be the final authority as to somebody's date of death. Maybe somebody can obtain King Oliver's from that Georgia courthouse, scan it and link it to his page? The dates which are "carved in stone" on people's grave markers can be wrong. Some of my own ancestors and relatives have wrong info on their graves; their family members couldn't afford to pay the stonecutters to correct the errors! -- DutchmanInDisguise (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)