Talk:Johann Philipp Reis

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Source[edit]

Much of this text originally came from the book Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro, available at Project Gutenberg: [1]. Lupo 14:09, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Portuguese-Jewish origin?[edit]

Philip Reis was born to German parents of Jewish origin (on his fathers side), both of whom belonged to the Evangelical Church. His father was born to German farmers. . Further confirmations are in Philipp Reis: Inventor of the Telephone By Silvanus Phillips Thompson and Juden im Deutschen Kulturbereich by Siegmund Kaznelson. http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/reis.html cites http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/phone2.html as it's source which in turn cited the dead Portuguese website.

Just because a web site is offline doesn't mean it is wrong. However, I have added another source as well.--Newport 19:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The new source added is http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/reis.html? I mentioned this already. Cache it's references at the bottom of the page. It links right back to where there original started. Look:
"http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/reis.html cites http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/phone2.html as it's source which in turn cited the dead Portuguese website."
It's not wrong because it doesn't exist anymore. It's wrong because Juden im Deutschen Kulturbereich by Siegmund Kaznelson says there is a mistaken idea that Reis is of Portuguese-Jewish origin and says his parents were German members of a Lutheran denomination. ----Tellerman.

We have two good sources that say that he was Jewish. It violates WP:NPOV to deny this. The correct thing would be to note in the article that the facts are in dispute. Please do not delete good references.--Newport 21:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No we don't. We have one source and it's not good at all. Another source that references the original and says the same thing is not a separate source. How can this even be argued? And how is it rightful to ignore where it says he's not Jewish and this was in error? ----Tellerman
There is no such evidence in any of Reis' biographies. How can we assume what someone says online to be true? ----Tellerman

Two sources are quoted. Please provide evidence that they are the same source and that it is not a good one. Do you refuse to accept any online source? That violates WP:RS. As noted above, "The correct thing would be to note in the article that the facts are in dispute." Please feel free to do so.--Runcorn 22:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Two online webpages quoting the same origin are not "two sources." I agree, it is smart to write that a Jewish origin was once thought. Juden im Deutschen Kulturbereich by Siegmund Kaznelson puts Reis in a list of people mistakenly assumed to be of Jewish origin. And no biographies on paper say he is Jewish. They are less reliable than a webpage online? ----Tellerman

Here is a quotation from the book by Thompson: "His father who belonged to the Evangelical Church, was a master baker, but also pursued farming to some extent." ----Tellerman

Also the "Archiv fur Sippenforschung" or Archives for genealogical research, year 1933, put Reis as "nichtjude." It's probable that the surname "Reis" confused some people and made them assume Reis was Portuguese. ----Tellerman


For those who speak Portuguese /Para aqueles que falam português: Johann Philipp Reis - O judeu “português” que inventou o Telefone Sei Shonagon 15:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

"His family's religious background remains unclear. Some sources state that his father was a member of the Evangelical Church[disambiguation needed][1] while other sources erroneously[citation needed] state that he was from a Jewish family.[2][3][4]

  1. ^ Thompson, Silvanus Phillips (1883). Philipp Reis: inventor of the telephone: A biographical sketch, with documentary testimony, translations of the original papers of the inventor and contemporary publications. London, New York: E. & F.N. Spon. p. 182. 
  2. ^ Cohen, Israel (1914). "Chapter III: Contributions To General Culture And Progress". Jewish Life in Modern Times. London: republished by Read Books, 2007. p. 404. ISBN 978-1406724448. 
  3. ^ Nuno Guerreiro Josué (12 July, 2005). "Johann Philipp Reis" (in Portuguese). Rua da Judiaria. Retrieved 25 February 2011. 
  4. ^ Samuel Kurinsky. "The Telephone - Fact Paper 2". Hebrew History Federation Ltd. website. Retrieved 25 February 2011. 

"colour trade"?[edit]

What does this quote mean? "on March 1, 1850, Philipp Reis was apprenticed to the colour trade in the establishment of J.F. Beyerbach, of Frankfurt"? What is "colour trade"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.65.117 (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Maikel (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

POV[edit]

I have removed the "neutrality" tag as it wasn't substantiated here on the discussions-page. Maikel (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

STC[edit]

I'd like to see some reference for that 1947 STC-story, please. Maikel (talk) 18:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Overpraise[edit]

I'd like to see less hagiography. This reads like a release from Reis' press agent. "1st telephone"? It didn't even work, Reis didn't see it didn't (nor why), cited sources say to follow him would've been "100 years of failure", yet he continues to get credit? Ridiculous. Also, I'm not really clear why mentioning Congress (not known for its scientific competence; this is the same body which for decades recognized Langley as making the first heavier than air flight [!]) is relevant. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 09:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

This page has been apparently vandalized. JewMoney? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.81.216.8 (talk) 19:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)