Talk:John Adams

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2015[edit]

In 1770, a street confrontation resulted in British soldiers killing five civilians, including Crispus Attucks [1], in what became known as the Boston Massacre. The soldiers involved were arrested on criminal charges. Not surprisingly, they had trouble finding legal counsel to represent them. Finally, they asked Adams to organize their defense. He accepted, though he feared it would hurt his reputation. In their defense, Adams made his now famous quote regarding making decisions based on the evidence: "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." He also offered a now-famous, detailed defense of Blackstone's Ratio:

Arguing the soldiers fired at the civilians in self-defense, John Adams successfully defended most of the accused British soldiers against a charge of murder. Two of the soldiers were found guilty of manslaughter. Faced with the prospect of hanging, the soldiers pled benefit of clergy, and were instead branded on their thumbs. In his arguments, Adams called the crowd "a motley rabble of saucy boys, negros and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish jack tarrs."."[2] In particular, he charged Attucks with having "undertaken to be the hero of the night," and with having precipitated a conflict by his "mad behavior."[3]

  1. ^ The Murder of Crispus Attucks.
  2. ^ The Murder of Crispus Attucks.
  3. ^ Wikisource-logo.svg One or more of the preceding sentences incorporates text from a publication now in the public domainWilson, James Grant; Fiske, John, eds. (1900). "Attucks, Crispus". Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography. New York: D. Appleton. 

Debparker777 (talk) 03:52, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what is being requested here. Per the template's instructions:
This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y".
Shearonink (talk) 04:36, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

AAS Membership[edit]

Adams was elected a member of the American Antiquarian Society in 1813, and I'll add him to the category list of AAS members; I guess my question is given all the other more historically important things he was involved in does it make sense to just leave it at that? I can't really see any place where it wouldn't interfere with the flow of the article if it was mentioned in the body of the actual article text. Thoughts anyone? ADGB1750 (talk) 13:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I personally agree that it's too inconsequential to add to the body text, although for future reference it would be good if you provided a citation for proof of his membership, here on this talk page, vis-a-vis the Category. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 01:01, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
A mention of his membership can be found here:

[[1]] and here: Dunbar, B. (1987). Members and Officers of the American Antiquarian Society. Worcester: American Antiquarian Society and here:

[[2]]
I wasn't sure how to make a reference for a category list, but I certainly have the sources to back up his inclusion to said list.
ADGB1750 (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
That looks fine to me. There's no referencing for categories; they usually reflect something that has been stated and referenced in the body text -- however I think we are in agreement that mention in the body text would simply clutter the article further at this point (unless others disagree). I don't really think anyone is going to question the category, and if they do it's easy enough to Google or look here in the Talk page (or its archives). By the way, just for future reference, make sure you properly indent your talk page posts with increasing numbers of colons so your posts nest under the post you are replying to. (I've done that for you above this time.) Cheers, Softlavender (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 April 2015[edit]

it is 1654-1723 137.84.8.45 (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:51, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Please capitalize, to make consistent with others.[edit]

Would someone please capitalize "president of the United States" & "vice president of the United States", to "President of the United States" & "Vice President of the United States"? It's done in all the other US Presidents & Vice President bios articles, so why not here? GoodDay (talk) 22:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)