Talk:John I Tzimiskes

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I observed the name and wish to add that there is a Region named after Tzimisces. It is called Tzimisgezek. My ancestors came fromm theis area of Anatolia, Turkey. To furthere state that they lived here up until 1915, when they were forcibly sent into exile and the great genocide against the ARmenian nation by the Young Turks.

Name(s)[edit]

Can someone explain the distinction between "last name" and "surname" in the first paragraph of this article? --Jfruh 28 June 2005 21:33 (UTC)

Kourkouas (Gourgen in Armenian, still quite popular) is the family name. Tzimisces was the nickname he was given. ----Eupator 17:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Curcuas[edit]

I have created a stubby little placeholder of an article on the marginal Byzantine general Curcuas, a catepan of Italy. Is Curcuas a Latinisation of Kourkouas and, if so, is he a relative of the emperor John I? Srnec 06:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

See Kourkouas.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 19:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Phokadai[edit]

Are there any more info on them? The article says they were of Armenian origin, which is the only piece of information I found about them in wiki till now, what were the sources you used? Until now I thought that their name root was Greek, coming from the word phoke(gr:φώκη, en:seal), and thus betrayed Greek origin, I would appreciate some insight. Thanks. Maniakes 04:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The name is most certainly of Greek origin. They were hailing from Cappadocia and thus could have been Greek or Armenian, I think why some scholars assigned Armenian origins to that family is because of the occurance of many Armenian first names such as Bardas within their ranks. More info here: http://www.geocities.com/ritahorvath/CAP4.html-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 19:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, but as it says there, their Armenian origin isnt proved, only speculated, and the usage of the name Bardas could be explained by marriages between them and other families of Armenian origin, just like the Kourkouai in Tzimiskes occasion. Yet in this wiki article it is given as a fact. Maniakes 20:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Problem is we have some sources that say they were Armenian, others that say they could have been Greek or Armenian. Anyway back then they were all Romanoi, it's just their origin. I'll go and dig up my Peter Charanis book and reference that sentence.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 22:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
If a subject is still up to debate then AFAIK wikipedia should aknowledge it and present both sides of the argument if any at all, that is the reason Im asking for sources, if you have indisputable sources then please do present them and put an end to this controversy, above all I wish to learn.
And allow me to disagree, not all were Romaioi and its not just their origin, or else there wouldnt be that much fuss going on about it, neither then, nor now. ;) Maniakes 23:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)