Talk:John Rylands Library

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Portrait statues[edit]

The designer of these was not John Cassidy but Robert Bridgeman. There are twenty: four English Bible translators, two pioneers of printing, two scientists, two historians, two philosophers, four poets and four religious reformers. Guppy, H. (1925) The John Rylands Library; 1899-1924. Manchester: University Press, 1924; p. 122. Wesley cannot be said to be a local person, only a visitor.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Oops - sorry, John Wesley was my mistake. I didn't like "notable historical figures" and changed it to "notable local figures" but I was confusing John Owen, founder of the Quakers, with John Wesley, co-founder of the Methodist movement. I'm not claiming responsibility for the sculptor though - that was already there :) Still, I hope you liked the other additions, the Bowler/Brimblecombe article was a really useful find, but only accessible for free with an Athens account. I am, however, a little embarrassed by the block of references from one source and would like to see it broken up with some additions from other sources. Richerman (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Papers of John and Charles Wesley are in the library; it is difficult to know what to emphasise since the collections are so varied and so specialised that they are hard to label for a general readership. With a great deal of effort the Bowler/Brimblecombe refs could be supplemented by others since most of what has been added from them has been described in earlier studies. I would not have access to it via Athens and could only read it in a library. The present version is certainly much more like a encyclopaedic article; for a long time it has been rather uneven. I should perhaps try and add something more about the Crawford MSS. for which finding refs would be easy.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Illustrations[edit]

There are four additional images relating to the library in the Dutch WP article: copies would need to be made if they are to be used here.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of high quality images on flikr but I'm not sure how you get permission to use those. I would go and take some myself but I suspect you have to get permission to take any inside. Richerman (talk) 13:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
The one which would be most useful in the article is the interior
Manchester John Rylands Library 16-10-2009 14-01-33.JPG
but all the ones the Dutch WP have used are in WP Commons so they are easily found. It is quite a good article already.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Address[edit]

According to this Manchester listed buildings the street address is 144 Deansgate. However 150 Deansgate Manchester M3 3EH was used by the library from the 1990s; before that an address without any number was used. On the site in 1858 according to Slater's Directory were nos 140 (Sutton potato dealer) 142 (Marsden pork butcher) 144 (Red Lion PH) 146 (Bennett pie shop) 148 (Yorkminster PH). More recently the buildings to the north were numbered 144, 146, 148 (Grampian House) 140 (Magnet Cafe, formerly the City Architect's Department education section, and earlier still the Gas Department showroom {note City arms on frontage}) 138 (Sawyer's Arms PH). Before the present version of Spinningfield the Evening News building was at 164 and the YHA Adventure shop at 166.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Rylands Building[edit]

The connection seems useful since they are both in the city centre of Manchester. They have "Rylands" in their names because the Rylands Building is the last of a succesion of warehouses built in High Street for the firm of Rylands & Sons. Due to changing economic conditions the firm retained the top floor in the 1950s while all the floors below became the second Paulden's store which later became part of the Debenhams group. In the next decade the Rylands company was acquired by Sir Isaac Wolfson of Great Universal Stores (then the largest mail-order firm) and Debenhams took over the top floor. --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 02:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Cost[edit]

The info box currently says: "£800,000 (ref = [1]) (Approximately £48 million in 2005)". But that source seems to say £200,000? Also is there are reason why the conversion is not given for 2012 instead of 2005? And should a source of any conversion factor also be given? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Or is conversion to a modern value of no interest or use here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

1st extension[edit]

According to Guppy, Henry (1924) The John Rylands Library, Manchester pp. 126 ff. this extension was begun in 1913 Champneys having submitted plans in 1912; there was a delay of 18 months in 1918-19 but work was completed in July 1920. The extension was integrated with the 1899 building by the installation of an electric lift; as originally planned more book stacks and a reading room would have been built but these were deferred ("in July 1920... the first portion of the new wing was brought into use ...completion of the first part of our scheme, providing as it does shelf accommodation for an additional 150,000 volumes" (p. 129).--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 03:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)