Talk:John Titor

Stupid topic

Why include an article on such a profoundly stupid topic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.32.204.67 (talk) 20:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Because, apparently, it is notable stupidity. If you like put it up for another AfD. My !vote will remain for deletion. Simonm223 (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that the reason is that it's notable stupidity. However, another nomination for deletion would be unwarranted right now since the article hasn't changed since the last one. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 22:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes nothing has changed. Of 28 references 2 are WP:RS this article remains of highly dubious notability. Simonm223 (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'm with the rest of you that this is pretty crazy, but isn't there a mistake here? The article says that CERN didn't make some discovery with miniature black holes, so what's with the Hadron Collider then? Is it possible that he simply made that claim after CERN had made an announcement? Also, someone was telling me that he predicted the Iraq War and also predicted that no WMDs would be found. Any data on that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.24.160.4 (talk • contribs)

The Hadron Collider has nothing to do with discovering minature black holes. He didn't predict the Iraq War, or anything about WMD's in Iraq.158.169.131.14 (talk) 13:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree this is stupid and worthelss, and if wikipedia rules do not allow to vote (again) for its deletion, even those rules are stupid (after all, voters change everyday...) --Lo'oris (talk) 18:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

There are no rules that prevent another vote, but nothing the article has changed since the last vote so you probably won't find a different result. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 18:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Under "problems with the story" ... clarification

Due to the fundamental basis on which this situation is built, the Everett-Wheeler "many worlds" interpretation, it would stand to reason that an infinite number of John Titors could be sent to an infinite number of pasts and of course an infinite number of worlds containing no John Titors, as well as an infinite number of worlds containing a John Litor... and so forth, may exist. Given this conclusion, problems of consistency could be explained within the logical confines of the story by the possibility that more than one John Titor have concurrently visited this instance of the world.

68.98.122.107 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but we're talking about how to improve the article. This isn't a forum on the topic itself. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 05:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Needs updating

Everyone, I believe this article needs some fresh information, there are a few documentaries on the Identity of who was posting as John Titor and I believe they might be valuable to add, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerd4U (talk • contribs) 19:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, really? What are they? — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 19:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The only documentary I could find (as opposed to fan videos on Youtube and what not) is "TimeTravel_0" by Skucci Films, now available on DVD and apparently it won some prizes at various festivals. Not sure what it would add to the discussion. 158.169.131.14 (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Amateur Sci-Fi

I have a degree in creative writing and his story has a very creative writing feel to it. He uses minute details (like the 5100 IBM) to give the story a sense of authority, but if he was really a time traveller that was concerned with our future he would have had a deeper sense of urgency in the tone of his messages, and would have included far more precise details. Instead the he writes with a sort of smugness about how everything is going to hell and back and in a very fortune cookie kind of way. Ipunchouthorses (talk) 18:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

And you know how a time-traveller would write because of your extensive experience with time-travelling? Is that another one of your degrees?

"but if he was really a time traveller that was concerned" Would it kill you to edit yourself?

Newsflash - it's not "creative writing" it's performance art. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.176.85 (talk • contribs)

We can't really put your analysis in the article. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi]} 18:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Missing the Point

I think a lot of the criticism of this article and the article itself are both missing the point. At this point the single most important aspect of the John Titor story is not the content of what Titor said or its accuracy, it's the impact it had on culture. Each month, John Titor related content increases. More people become more interested in it - both those who believe and those who don't including teams of people leveraging social networking tools to create a public record of their attempts at identifying who posted as Titor and why. I lack the time and interest to approach adding or referencing the monumental data on the cultural impact of Titor (the generic entertainment value of the Titor story to the influence this story has had on later internet events of this nature) but, I'd really like to encourage those of you who do actively participate in updating this article to consider including this much more valid and interesting aspect of the topic. 24.188.213.121 (talk) 07:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I honestly don't think the brain-addled teenagers on 4chan's paranormal board really qualify as "culture."173.61.213.87 (talk) 08:36, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing detail

The supercomputer units are of the Trilogy model. Also,

• An EM Well-compatible generator.
• Phenom pressure manipulator.

It's conjecture that Titor died within the 2001 Witness Event, with the unidentified male in the adjacent tower. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.240.183 (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Missing Facts

"John Titor is the name used on several bulletin boards during 2000 and 2001 by a poster"

The article begins with what is likely an unintentionally false statement. "John Titor" is the name that the s/he used on but one BBS - the Art Bell "Post-2-Post" (P2P) (www.artbell.com now defunct) forum starting in January of 2001 until March of 2001. There is no evidence that the poster, as John Titor, ever used that name on any other site. S/he did use "TimeTravel_0" on www.timetravelinstitute.com starting on 2-NOV-2000 and had previously used the same moniker on a UK IRC site once during October of 2000 (see http://www.anomalies.net/object/titorirc.html for a copy of the IRC log submited by Yariesa who also participated in the IRC discussion). Again, there is no evidence that John Titor/TimeTravel_0 posted on any site other than P2P and TTI. S/he didn't post on "several" BBS sites. The mistake here is taking as true the assertion of the author "John Titor" in a post that s/he had posted on several sites when the evidence indicates otherwise.

Another problem is the use of the "John Titor" logo. Though it has been passed all over the Internet it is, in fact, copyrighted by the John Titor Foundation. It may be a quibbling notation but it is technically correct. (see US Copyright Office for TXu001126005 / 2003-10-27). The logo is contained in the copyrighted book.)

The article leaves out most of "the problems" with the story. Problems such as the entertainment attorney Larry Haber handling the account as general manager for the John Titor Foundation and the fact that the story originated in Celebration, FL where Haber then lived and that the story first appeared on www.timetravelinstitute.com (aka "TTI") at a time when the owner of TTI was also the SysOp and SysAdmin of Celebration's community BBS (www.34747.com - now defunct)TTI had a hotlink to www.34747.com on a deep back page of its site. The Celebration BBS had a hotlink on its homepage to the TTI site. The owner of TTI was not involved in this - the notation is simply pointing out a link between Celebration, FL and TTI. What the article misses entirely is that the John Titor Saga was nothing more than a largely unknown topic popular on but two BBS forums prior to Art Bell's closing down P2P in June of 2001 (TTI & P2P). Thereafter it remained a relatively unknown and fading topic except on TTI and Anomalies.net (which took over the Titor thread "I Am From 2036" from P2P) until the summer of 2003. In August of 2003 the John Titor Foundation (JTF), a Florida Limited Liability Company, during a single night, made thousands of spam posts all over the Internet using the moniker "JTFan" to pump and promote sales of the John Titor book "John Titor: A Time Traveler's Tale". Had it not been for the JTF spam posts the topic would have remained nothing more than a fading blip on TTI and Anomalies.net.

My comments are obviously not appropriate for inclusion in the article as they are much too POV; that I know and understand. I've been a participant in this "episode" since the day it started and my comments and criticism are well known by followers of the meme. But in all fairness to the general community that might want to discover information about this Internet meme, the article does not do justice to the topic.

DarbyII (Admin, Anomalies.net) Anomaliesnet (talk) 05:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Invalid wiki debunking

John Titor made it very clear that there is no way of telling if the future events that occurred in _his_ timeline will occur in _our_ timeline. Titor made it clear that he was not making predictions, but merely stating what occurred in _his_ timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.149.55 (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

In other words, he said very clearly that his meddling with our timeline by his posts were likely to change our timeline. That's why you can't speak of any "predictive failures", only of ultimate infalsifiability of his claims, which can be the only criticism directed against them. Also, when he mentioned visiting his parents he stated that John Titor was not his real name, which is why it's not surprising that no individual of that name can be found. --79.193.52.194 (talk) 16:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

So, he claims that his claims are meaningless. Thanks. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but please remember that this talk page shouldn't be about the subject, but should be about the article. And the current state of the 'predictive failures' section is a self-contradictory and should be improved: it starts by detailing why Titor's many worlds story can't be falsified simply by observing a different timeline, but ends with: "....the 2010 Winter Olympics refute this claim." - Unlike Titor, this article doesn't have the luxury of being self-contradictory, and the predictive failure section should be made self-consistent (and consistent with Titor's lore). This is doubly essential because the entire section cites no reliable secondary sources (it resorts to citing a 'blog post' example) and should probably be ruled out of WP:SYN bounds, even if were a logically consistent argument. --Wragge (talk) 04:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I see what you mean However, per WP:FRINGE, we shouldn't discuss "Titor"'s claims as if they could be confirmed or refuted, if we cannot find reliable sources which say they could be confirmed. Perhaps, if it were rewritten to indicate that, even if it were real, it would be fictional.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Someone edit this article to add references perhaps if adequate.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26132/?ref=rss

Astronomers Find First Evidence of Other Universes

Above is not the reference, below are the science papers from arXiv.org that are:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1995

First Observational Tests of Eternal Inflation

Stephen M. Feeney (UCL), Matthew C. Johnson (Perimeter Institute, Daniel J. Mortlock (Imperial College London), Hiranya V. Peiris (UCL) last revised 12, Jul 2011 (this version, v3) pages 1-5

http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3706

Concentric circles in WMAP data may provide evidence of violent pre-Big-Bang activity

V.G. Gurzadyan, R. Penrose Submitted on 16 Nov 2010

pages 1-8

Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JJBeat (talk • contribs) 23:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

None of this mentions John Titor, which means it can't be used on Wikipedia as it would violate our policy on original research. --Daniel 02:42, 18 January 2012 (UTC)