Talk:John Vincent Atanasoff

Name

Atansoff's last name derives from the Bulgarian language, in it and in other Slavic langs. the name ends in "ov" for male and in "ova" for female. To the emigrants to western Europe and Americas the ending changes from "v" to "ff". It should be stated from where his name derives, that's all for I took it in Bulgarian, not beacause he speaks Bulgarian. Pensionero (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing this rather than reverting. I don't see a need to mention the history of the name in the lead - any reader that reads the fact that his father was Bulgarian would be able to deduce that the name is of Bulgarian, giving the Bulgarian spelling adds no information, but rather gives the false impression that he also goes by a Bulgarian version of his name.·Maunus·ƛ· 17:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Ditto Maunus, spot on. Robert K S (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Manipulative revertings

Stop it, do not delete sourced information, I am tired to revert your manipulations so many times. Atansoff's ancestry is half Bulgarian and you can't change this. It was unless to protect the page, that's not needed beacause of some editors remove ifno supported by sources, simply a kind of vandalism. Pensionero (talk) 11:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

You need to stop your Bulgarian boosterism and in stead read our policies of WP:VANDAL so you know what vandalism is and isn't, WP:CONSENSUS so you know how we decide what goes into an article and what doesn't and WP:EDITWAR so you know what happenes when editors keep reinserting the same information when confronted with disagreement.·Maunus·ƛ· 14:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Your accusations to me for Bulgarian boosterism are not supported by any evidence. The contestable edit was John Atanasoff's name in Bulgarian, we agreed to remove it, but is not understandable why the next version was reverted-isn't John Atanasoff of half Bulgarian ancestry(not ethnicity and not nationality)- true fact and even supported by a source, for what this version was reverted with no explanation, followed by deffending of the page, isn't we removed the name written in Bulgarian? Pensionero 17:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The evidence is your edit history. Half of which consists of editwarring over the inclusion of topics regarding Bulgarian nationalism in tangentially rleated articles. The article clearly states that his father was born in Bulgaria. that is sufficient information regarding his ties to Bulgaria.·Maunus·ƛ· 17:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Maunus has right. This page is periodically susceptible to revision by Bulgarian boosters. These editors are here principally to play up the fact that Atanasoff had a Bulgarian father, and not to contribute substantively to the article. You, Pensionero, are a Bulgarian booster, proudly and openly. Why can I say this? It's not an attack on your character or even an opinion; it is a fact deducible from your record. Among the user boxes on your user page: "This user is a member of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church." "This user is from the Balkans." "This user comes from Bulgaria." "This user is of Bulgarian ancestry." "This user is of Slavic ancestry." "This user supports Bulgaria." "This user is a fan of Bulgarian football." "This user supports CSKA Sofia." "This user participates in WikiProject Bulgaria." "It is approximately 6:50 PM where this user lives. (Bulgaria)." (Also, and not entirely irrelevant to the discussion here: "This user is a teenager.") Your talk page appears to be riddled with 3RR warnings. Your contribution history appears to be little else but Bulgarian-related pages. Have you ever studied Atanasoff's life or work, or his testimony in Honeywell v. Sperry Rand, or his patents, or anything about him? Collected materials in this area? Or are you merely enamored with your discovery that Bulgaria has "claimed" Atanasoff as a native son? Are you qualified to contribute to this page in any way beyond playing up the already-adequately-covered fact of Dr. Atanasoff's ancestry? Robert K S (talk) 17:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you want to say with my userboxes, I haven't "This user is Bulgarian booster" or "This user is Bulgarian, proud and open" instead this I have "This user is Bulgarian", I just often edit and correct articles related to Bulgaria, such as I changed "John Atanasoff was an American physicist" to "John Atanasoff was a physicist", beacause he is not completely clean and full American, if you have sources where is saying that Dr. Atanasoff was completely and full American, show it, if not I will delete this unsourced info. The page is for John Atansoff, a person, not only for the "Atansoff's Berry computer" or "Honeywell v. Sperry Rand", except "testimony in Honeywell v. Sperry Rand, or patents of Atanasoff" there are other things for which can be contributed in the page including Dr. Atansoff's ancestry. Pensionero 12:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

4-year edit war

Ok, this is ridiculous. Settle this on talk, because nobody gets to edit the page again until you can actually agree on something. Use the {{editprotected}} template for anything that actually gets consensus. WP:Requests for comment also work well. Have fun. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

American physicist

To start off with, I think that if he was born in the US and died in the US, it's perfectly appropriate to call him an "American physicist". Is this consensus to restore this wording?--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:43, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. There really isn't a "content dispute" here; the factuality of the content is not in genuine dispute. The edits to this page to emphasize the paternal ethnicity of the subject are teenage vandalism. Robert K S (talk) 03:05, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

The person is not of full American ancestry and has equal other, it is clearly saying in the page born-New York, died-somewhere in the USA, etc.. and noone removes that One could be French in Australia and African in Albania, no matter in which country he lives. Good option and not any denial of the American nationality and citizenship is just "was physicist", in the infobox is written that Atanasoff has only American citizenship. Pensionero (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "Full american ancestry" also we don't classify people by ancestry unless they do so themselves. He has never had other citizenships than American, so there is no basis for describing him as "Bulgarian-American". Every American, except Native Americans have ancestry outside of America. Nothing suggests here that he has more roots in Bulgaria than e.g. President Obama has in Kenya, and he certainly isn't a "Kenyan-American President of the United States". ·Maunus·ƛ· 16:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Nobody is adding John Attanasoff was Bulgarian-American, I removed the vaguely "was an American" from the intro beacause it is not known for what it refers- for the nationality, citizenship, ancestry/ethnicity?, below in the article all of them are clarified, is not seem to be a problem nobody is arguing for Atanasoff's citizenship and nationality. Pensionero (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Were you aware that the guideline for the lead of biographical articles requires nationality be listed in the opening sentence? Robert K S (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

In the guideline is saying requiring of (location, nationality, or ethnicity). Then why not "John Atansoff was an American physicist and inventor of half Bulgarian descent"? Pensionero (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Why didn't you actually read the guideline first... Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Opening paragraph. It's right there above the fold. "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". Atanasoff's scientific work is not related to the ethnicity of his father in the least. Per the guidelines, he was an American physicist and inventor. Mentioning that he was the son of a Bulgarian emigrant somewhere in the intro is already enough. — Toдor Boжinov — 16:26, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Per the apparent guideline-based consensus above, please change the first line to read "was an American physicist and inventor". Thanks.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:32, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Y Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:17, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how you decided that "ethnicity is not relevant to the subject's notability", however. The Bulgarian father stating in the article is enough, but American you wrote should redirects to United States like that "American", not to like that "American", beacause if not redirects to the American country, why not to write his other half ethnos in the first sentence? Pensionero (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

This is a bit embarrassing for me to explain, but "American" is not an ethnos, so it makes no difference where the blue link redirects. Is Atanasoff notable because he is half-Bulgarian? No, he is notable because he invented the first automatic electronic digital computer. His notability does not derive from him partially belonging to an ethnicity. I know you are young, but I strongly advise you to get yourself familiar with the guidelines and read up before engaging in an argument because such ridiculous disputes should not be happening at all... — Toдor Boжinov — 18:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Improving the Article

• A picture could help to do this. Jccort (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Small Typo

In the "Early life and education" section, Bulgarian is spelled "Bugarian" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.186.93.75 (talk) 14:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Superscripted ordinals

{{editprotect}} as these are not in conformity with WP:MOSNUM, kindly replace:

• The John Atanasoff Bulgarian national tournament in informatics and information technologies, held in the city of [[Shumen]] annually since 2001<ref>[http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=201486 The 7^th John Atanasoff Tournament.] Darik News website (in Bulgarian)</ref>

and

• Prof. John Atanasoff 4^th Primary School, [[Sofia]]<ref>[http://schools.pomagalo.com/1/3083/?view=gallery&pic=12061 Prof. John Atanasoff Primary School, Sofia.] Picture</ref>

with

• The John Atanasoff Bulgarian national tournament in informatics and information technologies, held in the city of [[Shumen]] annually since 2001<ref>[http://dariknews.bg/view_article.php?article_id=201486 The 7th John Atanasoff Tournament.] Darik News website (in Bulgarian)</ref>

and

• Prof. John Atanasoff 4th Primary School, [[Sofia]]<ref>[http://schools.pomagalo.com/1/3083/?view=gallery&pic=12061 Prof. John Atanasoff Primary School, Sofia.] Picture</ref>

Thanks, --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 07:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Y Done--Jac16888 ^Talk 09:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Image

Please upload John Vincent Atanasoff's image for this article . -- Raghith 06:48, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

dab needed for school name

Should now be Mulberry High School (Mulberry, Florida). PamD 09:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)