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I have corrected a great deal of the article's grammar and formatting, but would like more help with regards to ensuring a coherent organisation with respect to other Wikipedia articles on saints. Crculver 03:37, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I'd do what I can but... the version I wrote was the best I could manage. What do you mean by such organisation? And finally, you did a great correction, btw! Pfortuny 09:07, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I removed this last line: "No question about it, Saint John of the Cross is one of those geniuses that will always be remembered. His poetry is so serene and beautiful. A true mystical experience." I felt it detracted from both the tone and content of the article. The reality of whether or not St. John is a "genius" or "will always be remembered" is not directly relevant to the facts of the article. Ultimately the sentence represented an opinion concerning the value of St. John and his poetry, something which seemed to already be properly framed with the context of the article as it related to his influence on the church and on literary figures. The same could be said of placing his poetry on par with a "mystical experience," an interesting thought but not directly relevant to the matter at hand. The article as a whole though, is excellent, kudos to the original authors. -WTG (still need to make a user account :-/ )
Pardon the glib factor. I gather most people visiting this article are "serious". I know, I get it....
However, if laughter isn't God's ultimate gift... to paraphrase Gene Rodenberry about laughter, "for that instant, you humans are immortal". I guess the same could be said of orgasms : ) Different beast, similar vibe. Just gotta love Dopamine, Serotonin and GABA : )
...Anyway, among the funniest beings ever is Doug Adams! It dissapointed me not to find any reference in the article links to Doug's "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". And to forestall, I've had to undergo several operations to reconstuct my thorax from reading Doug, but the one I'm presently bitching about I haven't been able to get yet...
Lighten up a bit guys! If bleating laugher isn't the best proof that there is a God, I declare myself even more clueless and agnostic than I thought I was... - Manuel from México, D.F.: firstname.lastname@example.orgManuelcuribe (talk) circa 20:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Roddenberry, Adams, God.... all dead.
-- Love & kisses, Nietzsche.
- XXXOOO 2 U 2 Neesh : ) —Manuel : ) And yep, I get the joke : þ Called "life" last I checked? And Now For Something Completly Blasphemous: I'm going to quote Joss Whedon at you. "The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." That one Ecce Homo enough for ya? I mean the question with love. For real. The chair recognises the honored Gentleman/Lady from Angstland. Kindred, methinks. Manuelcuribe (talk) 07:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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His writings were first published inJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the Cross 1618, for example, plus several disjointed sentences. I'm not at all knowledgeable of the subject, so won't attempt to edit.
What brought me here was Analog Science Fiction and Fact March 2012 Novelette "Ernesto" by Alec Nevala-Lee, which is preceded by his Biolog by Richard A.Lovett. The story begins in Madrid a year after beginning of the war between the Loyalists and Falangists. It quickly moves to the Church of St. John of the Cross at a monastery in Segovia, the scene of several "miraculous" cures of terminal cancer, with a postscript in Havana a year after the war ends.
Ernesto laughed. "Not much of a miracle. He arranged to remove the hinges from the door of his cell. Now that's the kind of saint I can admire." He looked out at the trees. "If John deserves sainthood, it's because he understood the dark night of the soul. You can look for God all your life and find nothing in the end. And for a true believer, that nothingness is enough. Nada y nada y nada."