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Joe Kennedy's activity at Damajagua[edit]

Before Joe Kennedy's involvement at Damajagua tour guiding was a disorganized social activity. The presence of a large number of youth many untrained resulted in few actually making a living. As a result of Kennedy's activity the guide service was restricted to a smaller number of people who were better trained and as a result those left there achieved better incomes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBond (talkcontribs) 15:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

dates[edit]

is this article out of sequence, or did kennedy graduate law school at 23 before entering the peace corps? when did he receive his undergrad degree? something isn't adding up in terms of the chronology... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.209.199 (talkcontribs) 01:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Reads Like a Social Register Entry[edit]

Lauren Ann Birchfield OF Harvard Law School? I didn't realize Harvard Law School should be referred to as if it were a county in the English countryside or that Ms. Birchfield (is that her current last name?) was a member of the gentry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.59.212.65 (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


Joseph Kennedy IIIJoseph P. Kennedy III — News media commonly refer to subject using the initial. Namesake articles Joseph P. Kennedy II, Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., and Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. all use the initial, as do other similar articles about family members, for example Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. I think the only reason it wasn't created with the initial is that name was blocked off following AfDs before subject became notable in his own right. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

  • Support, per Boston Herald and Boston Globe. Plenty of sources leave off the "P.", but the fuller name is more encyclopedic. Kauffner (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Seems reasonable for consistency, and as Kauffner notes, many sources do use the "P." Jenks24 (talk) 07:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Pre College Education[edit]

Does anybody know which schools he attended prior to college? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.105.42 (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Suffix[edit]

This JPK should be Joe IV and father Joe III, since his great-grandfather is Sr. and great-uncle is Jr. Thesomeone987 (talk) 00:16, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

No, because his father wasn't named after the great-uncle. He was named after the great-grandfather. Joseph P. Kennedy II and Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. were both named after the same person, so they each are the second in ther respective lines. —Designate (talk) 12:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, all the JPK's were technically namesakes of Sr. if you really think about it. Even if this JPK's father wasn't named to specifically honor his uncle, he still shares his full name, and III is officially the next in line of Jr. when it comes to suffixes, even if Jr. isn't the father, so you are mistaken there (even though he is commonly known as II). This JPK's father would only be II if Joe, Sr. and Joe, Jr. had different full names and he had the same full name as Joe, Sr. and not the same full name as Joe, Jr. (i.e. if Joe, Sr. was Joseph Phillip and Joe, Jr. was Joseph Peter) or if he had the same full name as the uncle and not the same full name as the grandfather. You name for one, you name for all. Death has no impact on generational suffixes.
Examples of III's with the same names as Jr. uncles:
  1. Ulysses S. Grant III was the nephew of Ulysses S. Grant, Jr. and grandson of President and Union General Ulysses S. Grant
  2. Robert E. Lee III was the nephew of Robert E. Lee, Jr. and grandson of Confederate General Robert E. Lee
  3. John Jacob Astor III was the nephew of John Jacob Astor, Jr. and grandson of fur-trader John Jacob Astor
  4. Charles Francis Adams III was the nephew of Charles Francis Adams, Jr. and grandson of politician Charles Francis Adams, Sr.
  5. Richard Thornton Wilson III was the nephew of Richard Thornton Wilson, Jr. and grandson of banker Richard Thornton Wilson, Sr.
All these men share the same full name of their grandfathers AND uncles, thus are named to honor both.
Therefore, Robert F. Kennedy's son is Joe III, and RFK's grandson is Joe IV. Sources such as http://carlanthonyonline.com/2012/02/07/a-presidents-residence-saved-the-kennedy-family-compound-with-rare-photos-of-their-real-life-there/ and http://www.kennedy-web.com/dates.htm list him as Joe IV. Thesomeone987 (talk) 20:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Joseph P. Kennedy III/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ComputerJA (talk · contribs) 21:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello. I've decided to take on this article this week and the following week. Just by glancing at it I think it will easily pass--thanks for your work on this one! Stay tuned. ComputerJA (talk) 21:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Initial comments[edit]

First off, thank you for the article. I'm impressed by how you were able to update the article after its first GA review. It is very well-written and comprehensive. I made several changes on the article as I went along reading it--if you disagree with any of my changes, let me know. There's also the possibility that I might have made a mistake, so let me know, too.

Now, here are some things for you:

  • "Kennedy's father was elected to Congress in 1986, which strained relations between the boys' parents, and they divorced in 1991" – The sentence is a bit confusing. How and why did his father's election strain the marriage? Does the source suggest that his position aggravated the situation? I cannot access the source, but perhaps you might want to put that after he was elected to Congress, they divorced.
  • "winning the primary with around 90 percent of the vote" – I cannot enter the source, but do you have the exact percentage?
  • "Roman Catholic" – I could not find anywhere on the article that proves he was a Catholic. It's safe to assume he was, but a source is required for it, preferably in the Personal life section.
  • "(DoB - October 4, 1980)" – Kennedy's date of birth is in the infobox, but it is not cited in his Early life and career section.

After this has been addressed, I'll be reviewing each of the sources individually and check for accuracy. I'll post if I have any concerns, and then we'll be done! Cheers. ComputerJA (talk) 04:59, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've cited those three bits. The source does imply that Joe II's role in Congress was a major contributing factor to the divorce (although of course there are always many factors):

But the boys also learned that the political life had a price. Joe Kennedy's schedule as a congressman, requiring him to be in Washington, D.C. much of the week, coupled with the demands of campaigning, took its toll. When the boys were 9, their mother moved out of their Brighton home and into Cambridge. The couple divorced two years later and the boys began to live between their two homes.

For Rauch Kennedy, living with the Kennedy name was at times difficult. She says of her now adult sons that, "they quite understandably are aware that I felt overloaded about all this Kennedy stuff. They have reason to be proud of their family, but sometimes it is ridiculous."

I don't know if the phrasing in the Wikipedia article implies a stronger causality than the Globe article, but I'll see if I can word it more clearly. —Designate (talk) 02:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing sources[edit]

Hi, Designate. I read all of the sources and made some minor updates to the article. I have only one small concern before the article passes:

  • "Bielat had run an unsuccessful campaign against Barney Frank in the 2010 election for the 4th district seat." – Sources 22 and 23 do not mention this fact. #22 says that they they are looking to replace him, but not that Bielat seeks re-election.

After this has been addressed, the article will be ready. Thanks for your patience! ComputerJA (talk) 07:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

ok, I added one more reference. Thanks. Designate (talk) 16:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Thanks for your contributions. The article passes. Congrats! ComputerJA (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)