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I've been working on the stub for Broadcast Journalism. I'd appreciate any feedback anyone has as well as any suggestions for further expansion on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmac9986 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Journalist (the artist) should be added..
Anyone heard of him? Album: Sribes of life. He's an underground rapper from Philadelphia that's been around for years. 1997?
- That's a matter for disambiguation; has nothing to do with this article or its content. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 18:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
List of journalists
The list of "contemporary journalists" is, IMHO, getting out of hand. There are tens of thousands of people around the world working as journalists who are, in some sense, notable, in that thousands of people read their work regularly. If we try to stick every single one of these journalists here, it will be a list beyond measure.
We're starting to get some questionable entries - e.g., Eric Ellis, who has written in some international publications, but so have lots of people - but drawing a line will be very hard. Personally, I'd kill the whole list, as well as the "internet journalists" list, which is increasingly arbirtray. Leave it at historical figures. Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 19:42, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
- Well, no response! OK, then, tomorrow I'm going to kill off the subsections titled "contemporary journalists" and "Internet journalists" and replace them with some sort of explanation. OK? - DavidWBrooks 15:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
- OK, then. - DavidWBrooks 13:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
- This article is too short and rudimentary to support subarticles yet; see WP:SUMMARY. David's concern that it would "be a list beyond measure" has its merits; we have categories for a reason, and any such list (in this article or as a separate one) should be strictly limited to journalists notable enough to have their own articles here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I hate to be CanCon about this...
...because I don't like publicly-synthesized culture and the policies that go with it, but I'm starting to add Canadian journalists partly in order to make Wikipedia have a wider base in the Great White North (which has a much higher per-capita internet usage and high-bandwidth users than the US and is among the most interconnected countries in the world, and no I'm not bragging just stating the sad facts). The other reason is that they have high profiles in provincial and civic history here and often nationally and are also literary and histiographical figures - some of them outright historical figures - that tie into all the various Canadian wikipages.Skookum1 05:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
- Excellent, but try to hold back the hyperbole, even if well-written and amusing ("glitteringly seedy"). That stuff can go in the person's main article, jkgjk i like cheese jounarlists are sneaky peeps We need to keep things very short. - DavidWBrooks 13:24, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
- No need to justify it. Canadian contributions should be recognized. --Jgreat 18:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)jgreat
Merge with reporter?
since this is in the article ... Depending on the context, the term journalist also includes various types of editors and visual journalists, such as photographers, graphic artists, and page designers. ... I'd say "no" - DavidWBrooks 16:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
- I also vote no. Photojournalism is doing just fine and is very lengthy on it's own. Perhaps a redirect to Journalism and polish up rather than merge with reporter would be better suited. - Mike Tigas 08:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- I also vote no.
(I'll remove merge notice from both pages shortly. I'm not aware of how long merge notices should be allowed to stay; this one's from 22 march; a week's enough, i guess) -Pournami 07:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I question the inclusion of Bill O'Rielly in a list of journalists. Was he ever anything except a blowhard? Gladmax 01:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Although hyperbolic, there is a real point here: how to make the distinction between "journalists" and "presenters" or "hosts"? There is no question that O'Reilly is a well-known presenter and host, but is he a journalist? (Paula Zahn is a presenter and not a journalist, because she does not get involved in producing segments; Anderson Cooper does, and so he is both a presenter and a journalist.) JTBurman 18:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- It is my thought that Bill O'Rielly is not a journalist, and neither are most people on FoxNews. Fox News "presents" more Commentary than news, so I feel O'Rielly should be removed from the list.
Point02Dollars 21:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- This is a political rant - even if it's one I agree with. (It might be slightly more effective if the ranters spelled his name right.) Walter Winchell, Pauline Kael, Walter Lippmann, Herb Caen, Walter Cronkite and a number of others should be deleted under this definition - except that most wikipedia editors are too young to know who they are. - DavidWBrooks 22:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Definition of Journalist & Journalism
I Think that there is a problem with the definition of the word journalist. "A journalist is a person who practices journalism, the gathering and dissemination of information about current events, trends, issues and people."
In light of the recent controversies regarding journalists and bloggers being imprisoned. According to the above definition, if I see something and tell soemeone about it I am a journalist. If I tell my wife I saw a green car on the road today, that makes me a journalist. If I do a book report in grade school, journalist.
I would appreciate others income on this topic. I would suggest that a journalist is at least someone who does it professionally as a sole source of income(?), although I am not comfortable with paparazzi being considered journalists.
Oconp88 15:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- So Josh Wolfe, who has been in jail for months because he won't turn over a videotape he made as a blogger, isn't a journalist?  Your definition might have been fine a decade ago, but the Net has really changed things so much that it would be hard to pin one down. - DavidWBrooks 15:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
- Josh Wolf defined himself.
- The day after the protest, the San Francisco Chronicle reports, Wolf referred to himself on his Web site as an "artist, an activist, an anarchist and an archivist."
- IMO he was there as a propagandist, not a journalist. Besides, would an objective journalist who sees the commission of a crime say nothing, in order to protect his "sources"? Sources are people you go to for information, not people you see doing something.
- Just because it is "hard to pin one (a definition) down" doesn't mean we should be overly broad.
Oconp88 16:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Josh Wolf aside, the initial question has not been addressed. "A journalist is someone who practices journalism" comes dangerously close to defining a word with the same word, and is redundant. You could also say a jogger is someone who jogs, or a driver is someone who drives. More specifically, a journalist is someone who gathers information for the purpose of some form of MEDIA. That clarification should solve the "by writing a book report I am now a journalist" problem. I agree with the premise of this edit: the defination is too vague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
"A journalist (also called a newspaperman)"
- Yeah, that's pretty lame. "Newspaperman" is a real term (and an increasingly obsolete one), but only for newspaper journalists. There are many other terms (some media specific, some not) that should also be accounted for (reporter, news announcer, sportswriter, etc.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- In the context of this article, "newspaperman" should be included as a historical reference if at all. It's an anachronism and is media- and gender-specific. I will remove it from the definition in the lede section, as there haven't been any comments in support of including it in this discussion, which dates from May 2008. Craig Hicks (talk) 13:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Reporter should be merged into Journalist perhaps as a section. The miserable, largely unsourced stub at Reporter cannot stand on its own, and even Journalist has problems in that direction. They would be stronger as a single article. The Reporter article claims that reporters are somehow distinct from other forms of journalist, but this claim is not sourced in any way, and there is not enough material to support a separate article. Merge for now, and if the "Reporters" section here become so large that a split is warranted, then split them, when the material is properly developed and sourced. This merge was first proposed three years ago, and the objection was that reporters are distinct enough to deserve their own article. To date, nothing has actually been done to make this happen. It is still a very poor stub, and does not sourcedly justify the split. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 17:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Go ahead and merge it, there is enough support, and no dissenting opinions.—DMCer™ 05:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
There were too many, especially in relation to the rest of the article, so I deleted most. Here they are:
- Associated Press Managing Editors
- Association of Professional Journalists
- Chartered Institute of Journalists (UK)
- Forum and social network for writers and journalists
- The Project for Excellence in Journalism
- The Committee of Concerned Journalists
- International Federation of Journalists
- Canadian Association of Journalists
- National Union of Journalists (UK)&(ROI)
- Media, Arts and Entertainment Alliance (Australia)
- Journalist Association of India.
- Career Advice on Broadcast Journalist and other careers
- JournoWorld website for journalists
- Media Club of Pakistan
- Union syndicale des journalistes CFDT
- Mass Media News
- A biographical dictionary of British & Irish Journalists, 1800-1960
Are Bloggers Journalists?
Do you have to be a member of a union to be a "journalist"? ... Andrew Marr says Bloggers aren't journalists. -- According to Daily Telegraph report Marr, speaking at Cheltenham Literature Festival, said that “citizen journalism strikes me as nothing to do with journalism at all”. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC)