Talk:Judith Martin

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No Empire? Blasphemy![edit]

She dissed "The Empire Strikes Back"?!?! C'mon, it was great compared to, say, "Return of the Jedi"! "Empire" had the better ending. Luke gets his hand cut off, finds out Vader is his father, uh, Han gets frozen, taken away by Boba Fett. It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets. And Noise noise noise...Eyeblastfeem (talk) 04:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Sample Answers[edit]

There were a number of short excerpts listed under the heading "samples of her answers". I didn't think that these accurately reflected the content of Ms. Martin's column, and I was afraid that they would give the reader a mistaken impression of what it was like. So I removed them until better excerpts can be found.

It may be that the best thing to do is simply to refer the interested reader to the columns online at the Washington Post web site. For example, [1] seems to me to be a good representative example. -- Dominus 16:58, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I restored the sample answers. Although they may not be ideal, I consider them better than nothing. To give a true representation of her work, long excerpts would have to be reproduced, which would be a copyright violation. Hence, the short samples, which do convey, accurately, that Miss Martin has a sprightly tone quite unusual in her field. If you find better excerpts that do not violate copyright, by all means insert them. Thanks! NuclearWinner 00:00, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Number of Columns a Week[edit]

I think her column actually appears only twice a week in the Post - Sundays and Wednesdays - instead of three times as indicated in this article. --146.245.160.127.

Her Syndicate distributes her column three times a week [2], but it looks like the Post only carries it twice a week. I'll correct the article. --betakate 16:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Number of columns[edit]

Appearances in the Washington Post are now down to once a week, unfortunately

Children's books[edit]

In a used bookstore the other day I found The Tree Angel by Judith Martin. It's a children's Christmas play. I've been a fan of "Miss Manners" for a long time, but had no idea she also wrote things for children. I hope to expand this part of the article. Jonathunder 18:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

In fact, the "Judith Martin" who authored that children's book is not the same person who authored the "Miss Manners" books, as Martin emphatically stated at a lecture this afternoon at the National Gallery of Art. While it is true that amazon.com has conflated the two people into one, that in no way proves anything other than that computers and people responsible for data on millions of books make mistakes. (Which explains why this part of the article has never been expanded, I'd guess.)
I note per this page that the book "The Tree Angel" dates back to 1962, and the subsequent play by the same author to 1969. Given the career pattern of the person who is the subject of the Wikipedia article, it seems fairly certain that the author of the play and the same titled children's book is not the same person as "Miss Manners". -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Citation[edit]

"Her columns, noted for their wit, humor, depth of analysis, and broad knowledge of history and customs and their applications to the problems of today". Noted by who, exactly? 131.111.200.200

Sarcasm?[edit]

The phrase, "admonishing tone and sarcasm" makes me pause. I think "admonishing tone and wit" would be better. There is a touch of a playful sarcastic tone in Ms. Martin's writings about etiquette, but just a touch. It is not intended to be mean-spirited as much actual sarcasm is. Miss Manners' wit, though, is undeniable if you've ever read any of her etiquette guides. Her responses contain cleverness, playfulness, a bit of drama, and a decent amount of good-natured humor - I would say all those qualify as "wit". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigameshow (talkcontribs) 22:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Replace Washington Post with St. Louis Post-Dispatch[edit]

If you read too many online Washington Post articles they will expect you to subscribe. So far the St. Louis Post-Dispatch does not, and while I couldn't get official confirmation, it appears the Post-Dispatch runs all the columns online.

So if the idea is to link to where you can read the columns, the Post-Dispatch is the better choice.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)