Talk:Judo

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I don't know about a run-on sentence, this is a marathon.[edit]

Further, it evolved to greatly emphasize the ground aspect of judo, Judo Newaza, while disassociating itself with karate (see Gichin Funakoshi's friendship with Jigoro Kano) and various other forms of striking or attacking a vital point in favor of takedowns from both Judo and later from universal grappling moves such as double legs and virtually any form of takedown to get to the judo-newaza technique variations outlined by the Gracie family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.108.158.211 (talk) 10:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Competition Scoring Confusing[edit]

So it's mentioned that an ippon is 100pts, while a waza-ari is 10pts, but two waza-ari add up to an ippon? Someone should clarify this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.184.6 (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be confusion resulting from the way the scores are displayed, i.e. 011 = 0 ippons, 1 waza-ari, 1 yuko. I have removed the erroneous information.Catfish Jim and the soapdish 18:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The duration of pins that is mentioned to score ippon, waza-ari or yuko clashes with the articles for these scores: this article mentions 20 seconds for ippon, 15 seconds for waza-ari and 10 seconds for yuko whereas, the individual articles for these scores respectively mention 25 seconds, 20 seconds, and 15 seconds — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCois (talkcontribs) 20:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

'See also' section[edit]

User:Catfish_Jim_and_the_soapdish: Some of the links that you removed from the 'See also' section are already incorporated in the article, so removing them here makes sense (the Olympics and World Championships, for example). Judo in Canada and Judo in the United Kingdom are not, however, and until such time there is a section of the article that addresses Judo in specific countries, these links should remain in the 'See also' section.CanadianJudoka (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict... I hate when that happens) I've removed some of the links in this section as they were unnecessary. The Canon of Judo is one of my favorite judo books, but it doesn't need a link here. Judo in the United Kingdom and Judo in Canada are undoubtedly interesting subjects, but as per the MOS, we need to use common sense when assessing what to link to... there are hundreds of countries in which judo is practiced and we cannot include them all, nor is it necessary to for the sake of this article. The other removed subjects are, I believe, covered sufficiently in the main body of text. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 18:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I agree that it wouldn't be reasonable to list all of the countries where Judo is practised there, but I saw it as a temporary measure that is acceptable for the moment because there are only three articles on Judo in specific countries at the moment (these two and on on Judo in India). The main purpose of putting them there was to make editors and readers who are interested in Judo aware of the articles' existence. Maybe what needs to be done is to create an article (maybe a list) titled 'Judo by country' that can be linked in the 'See also' section here and then serve as directory of this type of article, prefaced with a discussion of the diffusion of Judo outside of Japan. I will be working on the 'Judo in Canada' article over the next few months when time permits, and I hope that it will be used as a model for similar articles. I would particularly like to see articles on Judo in France, Russia, Brazil, the United States, and of course Japan. CanadianJudoka (talk) 18:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Okay, excellent idea! Judo by country Catfish Jim and the soapdish 18:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for creating the list. I think that it would be a good idea to start a WikiProject for Judo sometime down the road to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Judo; articles on Judo by country alone could keep a group of people busy for a while. Let me know if you'd be interested in participating. CanadianJudoka (talk) 20:08, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Catfish - I like your changes to my arm bar section. Yep, that's me! An America. ;) Tanya ((♫)) 23:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Agree I'll start Judo in Brazil. — Jdcollins13 (talk) 18:35, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Great, thanks! CanadianJudoka (talk) 18:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

sensei[edit]

Quote: A judo teacher is called sensei (先生?).[65] The word sensei comes from sen or saki (before) and sei (life) – i.e. one who has preceded you. Unquote

When I studied Chinese at university, my lecturer from Beijing said that 先生 xiansheng means 'first born'. Perhaps these are not the correct characters for sensei in Japanese. 123.26.60.240 (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Japanese characters[edit]

There are so many Japanese characters in the article it's hard to read. Since most of the words transcribed are links to the respective articles, anyone who should want to compare the transcription with the original can do so in those articles. Is it OK if I remove all Japanese characters from here, except for the ones for judo? The Other Saluton (talk) 21:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I would personally object to that and don't think it's necessary. However, if this was debated properly and there was consensus for such a move, I wouldn't stand in its way. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 21:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean by saying "debated properly"? The Other Saluton (talk) 16:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Actually, just go ahead and do it... if anyone else objects to them being removed it will be easily revertable. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 15:32, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Famous practitioners[edit]

This list needs to be limited by some means otherwise it runs the risk of being unpalatable. I suggest it is limited entirely to people who are notable for their judo (perhaps amongst other areas of notability) rather than notable people who also do judo. Theodore Roosevelt certainly did practice judo a few times but he is not famous for it. We don't want to get to get into a situation where we are including the likes of Madonna (has been seen training in judo) at the expense of bona-fide practitioners.

For the sake of brevity I suggest that we should include on the basis of:

  • are a winner of a gold medal at the World Championships
  • are a winner of a gold medal at the Olympics (in Judo)
  • made a substantial contribution to the development of the art or sport.

Comments? Catfish Jim and the soapdish 12:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

It may also be a good idea to add:

also see: List of Judo practitioners

To allow for an expanded list. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 12:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

In fact that is exactly what the article for Brazilian Jiu Jitsu does, dispensing with any list in the infobox... done as per WP:BB Catfish Jim and the soapdish 20:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you. when I removed a red link yesterday, I thought there were too many names and clean up was needed. Oda Mari (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
A number of the names I started to clear before removing the list altogether were MMA competitors who train in judo. Is there any value in creating a list relating to this, or should they be included in List_of_judoka#Others or List of celebrity judoka Catfish Jim and the soapdish 10:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)