Talk:Julia (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
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Too much content?
This section reads more like a summary of Julia and Winston's relationship and their rebellion against the Party. Recommend revision.
It also seems to be more about Winston's feelings for Julia, rather than an article about Julia herself. Understandable, in an article about a character who is shrouded in mystery throughout the novel (both before and after she has relations with Winston, due to the fact that the Party makes it impossible for either of them to know very much about each other) but none the less... --Dark Green 20:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"When O'Brien tests their willingness to do whatever the Brotherhood asks, Julia shouts "No!" when he asks whether she and Winston prepared to separate and never see each other again." This sentence is incoherent. Clayton 04-December-2006 22:49
Perhaps overkill to complain about this, but...
O'Brien is really a faithful Party member, a torturer who brainwashes those who have gone astray (in order to "make them perfect" before they are executed). He reveals to Winston that he had actually been under surveillance for as much as seven years. The reader never knows if the Thought Police had previously detected Julia's thoughtcriminal tendencies as well. If not, it was her love for Winston that doomed her.
Actually, it's never clear how much of what O'Brien says is lies or doublethink. He may have merely claimed to have been watching Smith for years, just to impress Smith with the Party's omniscience, and in fact only watched him since he gave O'B. a funny look at the end of a Two-Minutes Hate in early April 1984.
Isn't she lobotomized? Earlier in the novel she talks about how the one thing she will always have to herself, beyond the reach of the Party, is her own mind, and when Winston sees her at the end, she has a scar across her forehead. If no one contests, I think I'll add this in. Kuralyov (talk) 05:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe not quite. Perhaps they removed a part of her brain, but a lobotomy is through the eye socket. I'd say brain surgery if I were you.
The scar could equally have come from the torture/beatings Julia received from the Thought Police, or even by whatever she faced in Room 101 (perhaps suggesting she only betrayed Winston once her particular horror had started, unlike Winston, who betrayed Julia before the rats had actually attacked him). Regardless, it's just speculation that she had brain surgery or a lobotomy. The relevant quote from my copy (ISBN: 0-14-027877-X; Page 304) states: "He knew now what had changed in her. Her face was sallower, and there was a long scar, partly hidden by her hair, across her forehead and temple; but that was not the change." This confirms that she had a scar on her forehead as you rightly stated above, but Winston himself notes that the scar (and by the implication, whatever caused the scar) did not cause the change in her, hence why I do not think it was a lobotomy. Perhaps we could replace 'lobotomy' with 'serious injury that scarred, possibly a lobotomy or from torture' or something similar? TheHippopotamus (talk) 22:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)